SALT LAKE CITY — A pair of abortion bills have been unveiled in the Utah State Legislature that are drawing threats of lawsuits.
According to a report from Fox13Now, the Abortion Amendments bill, designated HB 136 in the 2019 Utah Legislature and sponsored by Rep. Cheryl Acton, R-West Jordan, would ban abortions after 15 weeks.
“We continue to pretend abortion is a harmless, victimless procedure that empowers and liberates women,” Acton told Fox13Now. “Women are in fact often its victims along with, of course, the unborn children.”
At a news conference on Wednesday, Rep. Acton insisted her bill preserved a woman’s right to choose and allowed for Utah’s existing exemptions to an abortion: rape and incest, and health of mother or child.
“It may be considered something of a compromise,” she said.
Her bill has drawn praise from anti-abortion activists, but is assured to face a legal challenge. House Democrats on Wednesday released a legal analysis requested that found the legislature’s own attorneys found a high likelihood it would be found unconstitutional.
HB 136 is not the only abortion bill being run on Utah’s Capitol Hill. On Wednesday, Rep. Karianne Lisonbee, R-Clearfield, filed HB 166, the proposed Down Syndrome Nondiscrimination Abortion Act, which would ban abortion in cases where the child would have Down Syndrome.
“Neither Roe v. Wade or Planned Parenthood v. Casey anticipated that abortion law would be used as a means of eugenics and discrimination,” Rep. Lisonbee said in a text message to Fox13Now. “It seems Roe has eroded into the justification for the mass extermination of an entire class of people with a genetic condition known as Down Syndrome. That kind of discrimination must end.”
A similar bill failed to pass the legislature last year after heated debate. Rep. Lisonbee said the latest version would include a “contingency date.”
Read the full story here: Fox13Now.com.
Written by BEN WINSLOW, Fox13Now.com
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If you are determined to claim the fetus is not a human being, why not follow NY and abort up to the time of birth?
Why the fuss about how late in pregnancy you can abort? Simple. We all know this fetus is a human being, but we want to be able to murder, mostly for convenience, whenever it suits our needs.
Actually, not only do most Americans not agree on this issue but even you use a term whose most common definition undermines your claim:
Human being: (noun) a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens
Child: (noun) a boy or girl from the time of birth until he or she is an adult, or a son or daughter of any age
A fetus is not a child. Fetus heartbeat and laws like this are almost inherently designed to push a case to SCOTUS with a court that has now been intentionally manipulated to be biased.
Per NY question…just as these laws are likely to succeed in constitutional challenges so would a law that tries to protect abortion beyond the limits of Roe v Wade.
you tell him bnf, I also wonder about the children in Sieria, I don’t think many locals
consider them humans because they are a different religion and thats why so many locals
the pospotus.
sorry, it was suppose to be (so many locals support the pospotus)
whats Sieria?
Comment, I think he means Syria.
syria
What a ridiculous come back. You and your friend bikeandfish are good true fascists.
And how am I fascist, this will be entertaining?
tricyclerider, I think she meant “nincompoops” .
Mesaman, never seen nincompoop mispelled as “fascists”. I believe desertgirl is capable of distinguishing between the two herself. Only a nincompoop would believe otherwise.
You can jibber jabber all you want. You are killing a viable human being after so many weeks; feels pain and reacts to internal and external environment. You are a typical progressive sociopath.
You misplace your venom. I’m not progressive as many believe. I base these decisions off of libertarian and historic conservative tenets. And I’ve never aborted a fetus and would likely struggle with that decision if we were confronted with that possibility. But my personal preferences shouldn’t limit the liberty inherent in bodily autonomy of a living, breathing human being that is a citizen of this country.
Only if you or we adopt your ruling on the definition of “human being”. Otherwise you trip over your own logic.
These are those who hold righteous indignation until the child is actually born poor, of color, disabled, or addicted. Then those same people serve up a resoundong no to those same women who need assistance.
Mesaman,
Not tripping over any logic. Its pro-life fundamentalist trying to change the common, biological and legal definitions. Hence the onslaught of theocratic laws like fetal heartbeat, feticide (gateway to abortion prosecutions), forced ultrasounds, etc.
Now what?
https://stream.org/harvard-law-journal-unborn-babies-are-constitutional-persons/
That’s a student run paper opinion piece. Not remotely definitive.
A lower rate of abortions = Comprehensive sex education starting in grade school. Free access to contraceptive methods, (ie: teaching abstinence doesn’t work.) Getting rid of the pro-life Gestapo.
Poverty and religion are the leading cause of the high number of abortions. Rational and educated solutions are what is needed.
Pro-life men should get a vasectomy to share the burden they expect women to carry. Let’s grow up America
i’m with you there on the religion aspect of it. “Pro-life” nutters and the “religious right” need to go.
You are a sad progressive sociopath. Hitler would love you. Btw dimwit, there is nothing ‘rational’ about killing a feeling creature. Grow up is right. Get help to develop a sense of decency and compassion as you certainly look the other way for fascist/government torture and murder. Tag that; can’t fix stupid. Please don’t procreate.
There are definitely rational reasons for aborting a fetus. Even these exteme religious bills recognize that. Whether or not you agree with the practice should have little bearing on an individual’s very personal choice. That’s kind of the point of liberty.
Yes there is when a woman cant depend on you, the church or the father nor friends to support a child she cant for life. Words are cheap when you stand in judgment of others sins. Look at your own sins and mind you own business to change your sin. Its a womans choice
I’m strongly in favor of abortions. Not as a matter of principal but as a matter of pragmatism. My reasons, I’ve explained in the past, are very “politically incorrect” and I’m sure they make the lefties real upset/triggered. But we end up on the same page either way. Figure it out?
You’re eugenics theory lol and if I remember correctly, you would abort stupid people. Maybe I’m wrong in my memory, and stupid is my word but it’s something silly like that. It makes me chuckle when you talk about it. It’s as if you would like to play God and weed out what you consider bad seeds. But how would you know? Lol it reminds me of the government and wages and healthcare. You get a low wage and high medical cost so people dont go to the doctor and maybe the poor will die off. It’s not working though.
Yes, I did say the government is trying to kill off the poor people.
it would be difficult to ethically implement a eugenics policy. Because yes, at the end of the day there’d have to be people deciding who has the right to breed and who doesn’t. It wouldn’t be me deciding, so I wouldn’t get to play god or anything. Eugenics is just an idea. An idea to throw out there as the state of the world continues to get worse. I’m kind of meh about it. Not gonna go out in the streets and preach about it or even do much preaching online. It is just an idea, really.
Disturbing to see what is supposed to be a civilized country perform abortions of viable human beings and have so many soulless individuals support and be a part of mindless nasty socialist group think. Spread your legs ladies, men get your penis out, screw with abandon, and kill the result as it isn’t convenient. Not civilized, certainly not intelligent. Just repugnant and narcissistic sociopathic.
Desertgirl your hypocritical statements and name calling
are your true identity, you should really change your profile name to
local-hypocrit and muslim hater.
To be fair, viable now is defined as fetuses somewhere between 23-26 weeks. The youngest premie to survive, with heavy NICU intervention, was 23 weeks. Most professionals argue 25-26 weeks is the earliest gestational time that is “viable” to survive. So current federal protections don’t abort “viable” fetuses. Just to use logic with your own language.
How is it socialist group think to support individual liberty? If anything its more socialist to think the government should control reproductive rights at the individual level.
Soulless: I’d say it takes character to stand up to monied interests and theocrats to fight to protect reproductive freedom.
Its funny to me that the go to response by zealoted pro-lifers is about women opening their legs. Its almost like this actually about legalizing and policing sexuality, ie right out of the fascist playbook and totalitarian manual.
Funny enough, the number of abortions are now less than pre-Roe v Wade numbers and still steadily declining. Fewer women die from the procedure:down from 1500 a year to less than a hundred. Its almost like safe access to abortion actually supports better outcomes. That and real sex-ed, ie not the counter productive “abstinence only” curriculum. Its almost as if when we make decisions based on sound science and encourage individuals to work with medical professionals they make better decisions. Who’d s thunk it.
One of these days they’ll be able to grow fetuses in a lab. It’ll be like hydroponics for plants, except, uh, it’ll be for babies, lol. Then we won’t have to worry about any of this “viable fetus” stuff. We’ll be able to farm babies in labs. None that painful birth stuff, you’ll be able to pick one and just pluck it out of a machine.
Sadly, there could be truth to that but its just a wild guess as this point.
They are “punishing” the Chinese scientists lab mates, who used CRSPR to genetically edit human embryos. They have already been fired and no details on what further punishment means in China but I doubt it will be light since such scientific work is banned in the country. Most other countries also have severe limitations on what scientists can do with human embryos.
It may happen, if it’s not already being tested and it is sick and wrong!
I went to Mesquite and bought some real beer today
I believe you have posted the only rational, reasonable comment so far to day.
Did mom take the minivan? she let you ride up front like a big kid?
Comment yes she did and she stopped and got me ice cream…….what else you got boy ?
How many souls in the next life will be cut short in order to fulfill earthly sexual freedoms in this life? As in the Karmic repercussions we create for ourselves? None of us know when a soul enters a developing baby. Infanticide is now legal in New York and is viewed as a reproductive right, people are cheering. It’s like a horror movie and am just sick to my stomach.
How is infanticide legal in New York? You do realize an infant is a child, ie born, up to the age of 1. Nowhere in the US is infanticide legal. Infanticide and feticide are not the same thing.
And souls are a faith based concept with no scientific basis. Medical care is based on science, not faith.
You do have a soul and I’m sending you a big hug!
Thanks. I actually don’t have any real opinion on souls. Just don’t believe we should use a religious concept to justify laws.
According to b&f he/she has no soul. I”m convinced b&f sold his/her soul and I’m in agreement that b&f is soulless.
Having said that, b&f there is hope to get your soul back from the devil. Jesus died for you! He died so you could live forever. Whether you like it or not, believe it or not, God is real, Jesus is real and where your soul goes for eternity is real. You can be cast into the lake of fire and forever be tormented and thirsty or you can be with Jesus qgere there ou s no more pain and no more sorrow. So far, you have made the choice but God has given you another moment of a day to make a different choice. You’re not promised tomorrow.
*where there is no more pain and no more sorrow
Ah, so Christian of you. And its funny given you raze hell when I use the standards set in the bible to highlight the problems with your statements but it totally fine to randomly claim someone is soulless.
You should probably research what agnostic means again as your claims aren’t based on my values or statements. You should probably learn to read in context.
Yep, you are truly on a fence wavering between what way to go. You try so hard to be neutral, so hard that you’ve already made a choice and you cant even see it.
I dont know where you get your definition of Christian from but you have obviously been around Mormans too long. They would never tell you the truth.
Fire and brimstone b&f. I actually care about you. Otherwise, I wouldnt care where you end up.
Ugh, fire and brimstone isn’t an accurate definition of Christianity. That concept ignores much of the New Testament that deals with the teachings of Christ.
The irony is I’ve spent more time in Christian church and studying it then you (according to your own professions). I just happened to leave the Christian religion because of the cheap grace, like you use, that dominates most sects/denominations. Folks like you would rather weaponize the bible to persecute and oppress groups of people rather than deal with its deeper, earthly lessons. My principal hope for Christianity is seated in the outward compassion we see by preachers and practitioners helping the poor, displaced and oppressed. The ones opening the homes and hearts to LGBTQ individuals in the face of oppressive churches and governments. The ones who try to minimize harm on this planet instead of increasing harm. The ones calling out despotic policy instead of the ones providing it cover.
You said it first and I agreed.
You gave your soul away or sold it for a neutral stand. You were definitely born with a soul, where did it go?
Although you state,”And souls are a faith based concept with no scientific basis. Medical care is based on science, not faith.”
Now, mr/mrs science, you’re saying you dont have an opinion about souls.
You are a contradiction in your own right.
No contradictions. The quote ”souls are a faith based concept with no scientific basis. Medical care is based on science, not faith.” is fact, not opinion. Granted, the unstated part is “modern scientific” medical treatment, but that is obvious to anyone living now.
I think that is part of your problem as you constantly fail to grasp nuance. I don’t have an opinion on souls, especially as it relates to the topic of abortions. Its just not relevant to law or politics.
If you understood what agnostic means you would understand how “not having an opinion on souls” is an obvious extension of that worldview. Souls are a supernatural concept; science inherently can’t account for the supernatural (not testable or falsifiable); therefore, I can neither prove or disprove souls. Given my interest in facts and science I could therefore care less about the concept of souls other than defending government and science from the intrusion of that religious concept. But thats a worldview about religious politics, not souls.
Furthermore, being agnostic means I could also care less if I have a soul or not. Not really of material concern to me. See how that works? Not caring doesn’t mean I said I don’t have one, that’s you making assumptions.
No contradictions there. So once again, I have no opinion on souls.
You on the other hand have conflated your religious opinion with fact. You have no clue if I was born with a soul, you just have faith that I did because of sn untestable religious claim. Quoting scripture doesn’t make your claim anymore definitive.
Nah, b+f is a bit of an odd duck. But at the end of the the he/she is alright.
*at the end of the day
lol
Just because I can grow a mustache and some beard hairs doesnt mean I’m a man trapped in a womens body!
Did you think you were making some sort of coherent point?
Yep
Ladybug cant be defined by Webster dictionary.
I have hated God, I have made fun of people that believed in God. I’ve shaken my fist at God. I have done things, intentionally, that go against God. But all the while believing in God, ironic isnt it? If I didn’t believe I wouldnt have hated God so much and had so many why’s. But here I am today and nothing will shake my faith. Gotta love Jesus!
Who doesn’t love a spirited Ladybug and a spirited discussion? 🙂
In regards to the discussion, yes abortion is legal but it isn’t just a medical procedure. We can not force our beliefs on to others but staying quiet on an issue like this hard to do. It does have a spiritual and emotional impact. Watch the movie, Gosnell – The trial of America’s biggest serial killer…
I personally have no problem with spirited discussion and disagreement. My comments with LBA have specific context with her unsubstantiated allegations and claims against rape and sexual assault victims.
I have no problem with speech against abortion or discussions about one’s personal beliefs. But as this article highlights, those religious and personal beliefs are often used for political control of other’s bodies. That I consider fundamentally inconsistent with personal liberty.
Per medical, I contend anything that requires a doctor’s expertise is medical. Having politicians intervene in that relationship and process is problematic and often ignores bodily autonomy.