Trump answers Romney criticism: ‘I won big, and he didn’t’

This Oct. 9, 2018, file photo shows Republican U.S. Senate candidate Mitt Romney answering a question about tariffs during the debate with Democratic opponent Jenny Wilson in the America First Event Center in Cedar City, Utah. Utah Sen.-elect Romney says President Donald Trump's "conduct over the past two years ... is evidence that the president has not risen to the mantle of the office." Romney, who was the Republican presidential nominee in 2012, is praising some of Trump's policy decisions in a Washington Post op-ed published Tuesday, Jan. 1, 2019. But he adds: "With the nation so divided, resentful and angry, presidential leadership in qualities of character is indispensable. And it is in this province where the incumbent's shortfall has been most glaring." | Photo by James M. Dobson/The Spectrum via The Associated Press, St. George News

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA (AP) — Faced with biting public criticism from Republican Sen.-elect Mitt Romney, President Donald Trump pushed back Wednesday, reminding him that “I won big, and he didn’t.”

Days away from joining the Senate’s Republican majority, Romney broadly criticized Trump’s policies and character in a newspaper column, arguing that the president “has not risen to the mantle of the office.”

“With the nation so divided, resentful and angry, presidential leadership in qualities of character is indispensable,” the Utah Republican and 2012 presidential nominee wrote in a Washington Post op-ed posted online Tuesday night. “And it is in this province where the incumbent’s shortfall has been most glaring.”

Trump fired back on Twitter, saying early Wednesday: “Here we go with Mitt Romney, but so fast! Question will be, is he a Flake? I hope not. Would much prefer that Mitt focus on Border Security and so many other things where he can be helpful.”

Trump’s warning shot referred to retiring Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, who has been Trump’s most consistent critic among Senate Republicans. As he and other critics leave Congress, it is an open question as to who — if anyone — will take up the role of publicly criticizing a president who remains popular with Republican voters.

Romney’s biting public assessment came as Trump and Senate Republicans faced a new governing dynamic. Republicans on Thursday will cede control of the House to Democrats, who were prepared to oppose Trump on a number of policies and promised a slew of investigations into his actions and those of his aides and campaign officials, particularly with regard to Russia’s election meddling.

Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, had criticized Trump before — notably, in a March 2016 speech he called Trump a “fraud” and opposed his bid for the GOP nomination — but later he made peace with the president-elect and even expressed interest in joining his administration.

Romney’s rebuke of Trump drew a cutting reply from Brad Parscale, Trump’s campaign manager. In a tweet Tuesday night, Parscale said Romney “lacked the ability to save this nation” and contended that Trump “has saved it.”

“Jealously is a drink best served warm and Romney just proved it,” Parscale wrote.

In the column, Romney offered approval of Trump’s corporate tax policies and efforts to cut regulations, appoint conservative judges and other “policies mainstream Republicans have promoted for years. But policies and appointments are only a part of a presidency.”

He continued:

To a great degree, a presidency shapes the public character of the nation. … With the nation so divided, resentful and angry, presidential leadership in qualities of character is indispensable.

While saying Trump’s early administration appointments had been encouraging, Romney added that, “on balance, his conduct over the past two years, particularly his actions this month, is evidence that the president has not risen to the mantle of the office.”

In describing a “deep descent” by the Trump presidency in December, Romney cited the departures of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and White House chief of staff John Kelly and what he called the appointment of people of lesser experience, the abandonment of allies and Trump’s “thoughtless claim that America has long been a ‘sucker’ in world affairs.”

Looking ahead, Romney wrote that he would act as he would with any president from either party in the White House, supporting policies he believes are in the best interest of the country and his state and opposing those that are not. And he said he didn’t intend to comment on every tweet or fault.

“But I will speak out against significant statements or actions that are divisive, racist, sexist, anti-immigrant, dishonest or destructive to democratic institutions,” he said.

Romney will be sworn in as a senator on Thursday.

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55 Comments

  • Pheo January 2, 2019 at 7:42 am

    Yeah, he won big by negative 3,000,000 votes and needed huge illegal campaign help from a modern-day Stalin to do it. He can’t take the least bit of criticism without childishly striking back on Twitter, including against those that supported him and served in his administration. What a winner!

    • Brian January 2, 2019 at 8:32 am

      He didn’t win by -3M votes, he won by +74 electoral college votes. He didn’t need illegal campaign help from a modern-day Stalin (18 months has found literally zero evidence of Russian collusion, but has uncovered lots of shady dealings between Russians and democrats). You know who is resorting to that kind of illegal campaign help? Democratic operatives helping Alabama Democratic Senator Doug Jones in the December 2017 special election. Of course the liberal media hasn’t even mentioned it, and no democrat cares. They don’t care about the truth, they care about hating Trump.

      Trump IS a petulant child and if he never tweeted again I’d be ecstatic, but parroting liberal lies to bash him won’t solve the worlds problems. What we need right now is a commitment to the truth, whatever it is, whether it supports our party or not (which is why I’m not an R or a D). The truth is we won’t find our answers in a politician or a party, we’ll find the solution only if we look to foundational principles, live them personally, and only support individuals, actions, and parties that support them, too. I wish that would happen, and I’m working for that to happen (starting with me), but I’m not holding my breath.

      • Carpe Diem January 2, 2019 at 9:24 am

        BINGO!

        Oh, and Mitt: “With the nation so divided, resentful and angry, maybe I can step in and make it even more so. The Democrats asked me to help…”

        • jaltair January 2, 2019 at 11:53 pm

          Mitt Romney is for Mitt Romney. Many who disagree with what Mitt Romney has said today, should send him a letter stating that they would like for him to support the platforms that Trump proposes. Doesn’t do any good to tear down an individual through personal insults. In addition, Mitt took aim at Trump’s character. I am saying Mitt’s character is in question now from the attack he made on Trump’s character. He used Trump when he ran. How low can Mitt go? Mitt is for Mitt.

          • bikeandfish January 3, 2019 at 12:29 pm

            I’ve found your comments to be rather moderate in tone in the past. I don’t always agree with but I find them interesting and worthwhile.

            That said, how can you state “Mitt Romney is for Mitt Romney” and not apply that same logic to Trump given his public record and statements?

            The same question regarding your conclusion about Mitt’s op ed and criticism of his character. Trump has spent most of his later life ruthlessly attacking the character of anyone and everyone he perceives as a threat.

            I just find it ironic as Mitt Romney is standing up for the character of our country and its traditional liberal values and contrasting those to Trump’s very public behavior. Our Congress is strongest when it makes those stands, not when it acquiesces to partisan loyalties.

            Also, Mitt Romney explicitly stated support for specific policies of Trump’s he supports in this very op ed. I think he did so eloquently and thoughtfully. But its not the job of a senator to support 100% of a president’s agenda. In fact, the Senate was designed to be isolated from both the House and POTUS as the branch to methodically analyze legislation and national needs. It was a check on both the House and President.

      • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 10:37 am

        Can you show me a legitimate source that shows a Democratic relationship with Russia discovered during the Mueller probe? As it stands now, only Republican operatives have been indicted from tge court records I’ve seen

        Mueller’s probe may not discover anything about collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. But we don’t know yet and can’t draw conclusions. The way these investigations works isn’t consistent with your conclusion. Mueller’s team could have evidence and be building a case, or not. But a lack of current indictments does not necessarily mean they haven’t found anything. Only time will tell.

        We both agree on his temperment.

        • Just Guessin January 2, 2019 at 6:13 pm

          Again Bike, I look at this with a skeptical Eye.

          (B) Can you show me a legitimate source that shows a Democratic relationship with Russia discovered during the Mueller probe?

          (JG) Bike the mueller probe was set up to protect the GiveMeDats not find collusion,
          Smoke and Mirrors, Look over here, nothing over there. That is a simple fact.
          Anybody with half a brain knows that by now or is a zombie watching the 24 hr regurgitated new cycle.

          (B) As it stands now, only Republican operatives have been indicted from tge court records I’ve seen

          (JG) Like the “Republican Operatives” thing bike classy… and were any convicted of Collusion..Collusion…Collusion?

          (B) Mueller’s probe may not discover anything about collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. But we don’t know yet and can’t draw conclusions. The way these investigations works isn’t consistent with your conclusion. Mueller’s team could have evidence and be building a case, or not. But a lack of current indictments does not necessarily mean they haven’t found anything. Only time will tell.

          (JG) And that right there my friend is why this never ending “Energizer Bunny” keeps on running interference to the real Probe that should be going on.

          (B) We both agree on his temperment.

          (JG) yes we do, that is why he was elected POTUS

          • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 9:46 pm

            I don’t think you understand the definition of facts.

            PS….the Special Counsel was created by a Trump appointee and is run by a well-respected Republican, not really consistent with your claim that its “the mueller probe was set up to protect the GiveMeDats.”. Thanks for the good laugh and window into to your lack of knowledge on the issue.

          • Happy Commenter January 3, 2019 at 10:58 am

            B&F only uses facts that B&F has approved as facts. Reality does not matter to her.

        • Just Guessin January 3, 2019 at 8:00 pm

          (B) I don’t think you understand the definition of facts.

          Here the Webster definition bike will that work or do we need to use the other one from the SJW handbook?
          https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact

          PS….the Special Counsel was created by a Trump appointee and is run by a well-respected Republican, not really consistent with your claim that its “the mueller probe was set up to protect the GiveMeDats.”. Thanks for the good laugh and window into to your lack of knowledge on the issue.

          Don’t you think in that VERY LOGICAL mind of yours bike that the day CON-sessions was named “head of the fbi” he recused himself is very strange and he probably lied in his interview with the POTUS.
          He didn’t appoint or as I like to call it “anoint” mueller someone else did, Remember? His bum buddie Rod Rosenstein.

          • bikeandfish January 3, 2019 at 9:21 pm

            Recusal was the ethical choice given his relationship with Trump and the content of the investigation. Its common, not conspiratorial. Everything you state is unsubstantiated speculation.

            The facts: Rod Rosenstein was a Trump appointee and the one who created the Special Counsel Investigation and designated Mueller, a Republican, as its lead.

    • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 10:40 am

      There isn’t any legal evidence to support your claim available to the public. Your statement is a major rush to judgement.

      I think Trump is unfit for office but that is based on readily available evidence, like his and his handler’s Twitter posts (this one is likely a handler’s given diction and grammar).

      • Just Guessin January 2, 2019 at 8:48 pm

        This so lame Bike F’Real

        “There isn’t any legal evidence to support your claim available to the public.”

        and you OK with that fact, it implies there is but we can’t get it… …

        then you go typical imbasil with

        “I think Trump is unfit for office but that is based on readily available evidence”

        Give it to me… PLEASE give it to me

        Ed. ellipsis

        • Just Guessin January 2, 2019 at 9:04 pm

          sorry mods I’ll WTH next time WT*
          Lesson learned

        • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 9:30 pm

          An easy answer would be his Twitter account. He and it represent America no matter how much the right tries to downplay it.

          Or how about how he lies to the public with reckless abandonment. Not just occasionally but multiple times everyday:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/02/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/

          But you really don’t care about my opinion, you just seem to like to troll me. And not even very good at that. I mean you couldn’t even make it through one response without being moderated.

          • Just Guessin January 3, 2019 at 8:11 pm

            washington post artical bike c’mon that like sayin rice aint white give us some meat we hungry.
            Got something from all the other brain dead media to back that up.

          • Just Guessin January 3, 2019 at 8:25 pm

            You right on the moderation … I’m not very politically correct bike but everybody reading this gets my message same as yours.
            I was moderated for …!
            could have meant (W)hat (T)he (F)acts !
            moderator dont know but they got a job and I respect that.
            Ouch, free speech is so hard to come by these daze
            Good try at the jab though bike
            Ed. ellipses

          • bikeandfish January 3, 2019 at 8:49 pm

            If you don’t have the media literacy to understand the relevant facts in the Washington Post article than that’s on you. Its a valid source.

            Have fun trolling others as I won’t be responding to your bad faith responses anymore.

          • Just Guessin January 3, 2019 at 9:21 pm

            (b) media literacy???

            WT( . ) Heck) is that. Are you really gonna spew something like that?
            What does that mean? “media literacy” give all of us your super over endu_”macated” definition

            Guess bike got a couple flat tires, it will be rolling again in a while. Stay Tuned…

          • Just Guessin January 3, 2019 at 9:31 pm

            Now get me straight bike not trying to shut you down.
            But I think your soap box has to be challenged.
            If you ignore me I WIN and you won’t like that.
            Name me ONE of my posts that is false and I will go away.

          • bikeandfish January 3, 2019 at 10:38 pm

            This is a bad faith argument:

            “washington post artical bike c’mon that like sayin rice aint white give us some meat we hungry.
            Got something from all the other brain dead media to back that up.”

            Media literacy isn’t an indication of being overeducated, its a prerequisite for critical thinking in a world dominated by a 24 hour news cycle. An acceptable definition is as follows:

            “It provides a framework to access, analyze, evaluate and create messages in a variety of forms – from print to video to the Internet. Media literacy builds an understanding of the role of media in society as well as essential skills of inquiry and self-expression necessary for citizens of a democracy.”

            Its the difference between outright discounting viable, legitimate media sources because they don’t align with your ideology and being able to critically analyze the content based on the facts in those sources. Its been taught in K-12 schools as a critical skill for a while now (but increasingly so after the saturation of actual “fake news” on the internet, ie not propoganda attacks against the media).

            Hence my statement. Trying to completely discount a valid source like the Washington Post exposes a lack of media literacy. Its a partisan strategy to fallaciously counter information counter to your ideology. It undermines logical debate. Its a clear example of bad faith engagement.

            If that is not your goal than change your strategy.

            And ignoring trolling doesn’t mean the troll wins. Feeding a troll with an emotional reaction means they win.

        • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 9:37 pm

          Is imbasil a new variety? Love the stuff even if its way too expensive at the store.

          It normally helps to spell an insult about stupidity correctly if you want it to be deployed effectively instead of ironically for my entertainment. Just a thought.

          • Just Guessin January 3, 2019 at 7:33 pm

            Sorry bike meant “imbasil Biggly” thanks for your correction on that

    • KR567 January 3, 2019 at 8:44 am

      Pheo….you need to get out into the real world because you have absolutely no clue of what is going on

  • Not_So_Much January 2, 2019 at 7:49 am

    RINO & SOB

    • Carpe Diem January 2, 2019 at 9:33 am

      Carpet bagger. Utah is going to suck wind with Mitt… just like they did with the $80 million investment disaster on Prop 8.

      Now Utah has Gay Marriage legal State-Wide and an ex-Massachusetts Gov. for a Senator. Wow – not the same place anymore.

      • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 10:46 am

        To clarify, same sex marriage is constitutionally protected in all states. Utah’s previously oppressive laws played a major role in that happening faster than most of us would have ever imagined.

        Romney replaced another “carpetbagger” as you call them so I’m not sure how that will change much. Its funny that nationalism isn’t enough anymore, now we are rehashing antiquated insults against fellow Americans as well.

        • Carpe Diem January 2, 2019 at 12:05 pm

          Insults, ehh? Romney is the one who started shooting off his mouth. (again) He’s trending on twitter with his foot in mouth comments. Showing up DJT with his public hissy fits! And not only with insults against fellow Americans who voted him in, but the sitting POTUS who is doing his best to improve the economy, pull us out of endless wars, prison reform, and border security. All while being bombarded with 92% negative MSM press.

          But yeah, TDS is real. I see you suffer from it too.

          • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 9:20 pm

            Do you think anybody cares if you parrot ineffective and lame insults like TDS?

            PS…. carpetbagger is the relevant insult to my comment and its ridiculous in historic and modern context. Its also ironic as it was used to insult politicians pushing for civil rights laws, ie same sex marriage comment you made. History has a way of repeating itself.

        • Just Guessin January 3, 2019 at 8:44 pm

          Really??? quote me that in the constitution bike “same sex marriage is constitutionally protected in all states” I have seemed to miss placed that part and want to know. Government has no place there and the founders new that.

          • bikeandfish January 3, 2019 at 9:16 pm

            Obergefell v. Hodges. The SCOTUS case is plenty of evidence.

            Our government very much is an appropriate venue to protect liberty and equality for all. Its why we founded the US.

  • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 10:49 am

    We need more Republicans standing up to the President. We need to rebuild the strength and balancing power of the Congress against the Executive. For the last few decades we have over-empowered the Executive and its time to correct that error. If there ever was a time it could happen it should be with a president like Trump that is so obviously eroding vital foundations of our federal government and national character.

    • Carpe Diem January 2, 2019 at 12:07 pm

      Um, Obama would be the poster child of your missive. And yes, America did stand up to him. (and crime boss Clinton) Ergo, DJT.

      • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 9:09 pm

        Reread:

        “For the last few decades we have over-empowered the Executive”

        I am no fan of Obama’s use of Executive power either but he’s not our current president. And what Trump is doing is radically worse on just about every front.

        PS….not sure 3 sentences counts as a missive

    • tazzman January 2, 2019 at 1:06 pm

      I agree with you that for too long Congress has deferred to the POTUS regarding too many issues, be it war, budget, lawmaking via bureaucrats and not the people’s representatives, and on and on.
      My main concern with this specific Romney v Trump is you have the two most self-centered GOP politicians in my lifetime going at it. I’m not exactly optimistic this is coming from some principled place of Romney.

      • bikeandfish January 3, 2019 at 12:15 am

        I have no doubt Romney is somewhat self-centered. To be honest, I think that’s problem common enough with anyone who thinks they should be president.

        That said, I believe Romney does occasionally show a spine and stand up for sincerely held values. I don’t always agree with them but I think he’s shown they are there.

    • AnnieMated January 2, 2019 at 1:37 pm

      Real republicans like Mitt are running scared. Whether they realize it or not, they have, over the last few years, allowed a very small but very very vocal minority of fascists to take over their party. If I am to believe the rhetoric spewed on basically every right wing news source, the Republican party has moved about a far as you can get from the “Real American” values it purports to support. I reminded of this quote from The Newsroom:

      “I call myself a Republican ’cause I am one.
      I believe in market solutions and I believe in common sense realities and the necessity to defend ourselves against a dangerous world and that’s about it.
      Problem is now I have to be homophobic.
      I have to count the number of times people go to church.
      I have to deny facts and think scientific research is a long con.
      I have to think poor people are getting a sweet ride.
      And I have to have such a stunning inferiority complex that I fear education and intellect in the 21st century.
      But most of all, the biggest new requirement, really the only requirement, is that I have to hate Democrats.
      And I have to hate Chris Christie for not spitting on the president when he got off Air Force One.

      • tazzman January 2, 2019 at 2:34 pm

        Annie-mated, calling honest people with differing views from yours and mine “fascists” certainly isn’t going to get us anywhere. They are not fascists. Fascists existed in Italy and Europe with specific corporate syndicates aligned with governments. That is not what we have today. We don’t have state corporate syndicates. We do have corporate interests who, like numerous other varied interests, who lobby democratically-elected representatives for their views and interests. That is not fascist.

        • bikeandfish January 2, 2019 at 9:13 pm

          I agree we aren’t seeing many fascists in politics right now as I think that is an extremely high hurdle. That said, many on the right are using strategies from the fascist playbook, and I dare say they are openly doing so. Fascism has noticeable elements and we are seeing more and more of them deployed in elections and to justify policy. And its happening across the world. Look at Hungary as an example.

          • tazzman January 3, 2019 at 11:23 am

            Oh, fascism is alive and well in Europe. I dare say it never left. But their variety is sort of the textbook definition. Our “fascism” is more straight up American racism or white identitarianism.

      • Redbud January 2, 2019 at 8:13 pm

        Annie, all you have accomplished is spew hate-filled garbage. Trump is the president, we the people voted for him. He won the election for a reason, without collusion as the democrats would have you blindly believe. He is doing a fantastic job as president, and I hope the shutdown is long and painful for all! We will reap the benefits of the shutdown later after the pain is gone. People will remember what Trump did for this country, and that will be in the mind of voters in 2020 when Trump is re-elected as our victorious leader!

  • Ali January 2, 2019 at 11:37 am

    There are those who are happy Romney popped off about Trump, then there are those who are upset. But no one is talking about the real problem, ALL the people in DC. It shouldn’t be a Democratic, Republican, Independent, liberal, conservative, right wing, left wing thing. It should be us asking what these greedy people doing for us and this country???? The answer is nothing, absolutely nothing. Take a look at the taxes YOU pay from income, utilities, sales, property and look where it goes. Into the pockets of wealthy, greedy people who don’t give a darn about this country. Flint still doesn’t have decent water, the east coast is still a mess from hurricanes, GM is eliminating jobs, other companies don’t have fully funded retirement plans and many retirees past, present and future have their retirement income cut or eliminated altogether. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. If you wonder how we got this way it’s OUR FAULT. We are the ones who did not vote, or voted the same old theives in for 15, 20, 30 and 40 years. They aren’t there because they feel obligated to provide a service to us. The want to have the power and money. They probably couldn’t survive in the private sector for more than two minutes. Everyone thinks Romney is going to be the golden boy. Ain’t so McGee, he’s in it just like the rest. WAKE UP and think for yourselves.

    • Ali January 2, 2019 at 4:48 pm

      P.S. Has anyone looked at what Mitch McConnell has done lately? Seven years of do nothing because he didn’t like Obama, two years of farting around with Obamacare. He’s fiddling around while the country burns. Nothing of big substance has come from Congress in 9 years.

    • Just Guessin January 2, 2019 at 5:39 pm

      AHMEN Ali, it just baffles my mind that Utah Voters couldn’t see what they were getting when they voted for this _______ (fill in the blank yourself, they all fit!)

    • Comment January 2, 2019 at 10:59 pm

      True, Ali. We are getting to the point where things will not be able to be fixed by voting or any democratic process. I actually suspect we might be past that point. Parts of Europe right now have citizens protesting because of the globalist super-wealthy oligarchs that have sold their countries down the drain, and in those places the democratic process has failed miserably. The oligarchs may make concessions to stave off unrest, but no real solutions will be found until these globalist oligarchs are actually reigned in or destroyed, and the rigged/fake democratic processes simply cannot do that at this point.

      • ladybugavenger January 3, 2019 at 12:28 pm

        Hey Bob, heres my answer to your comment about me not sounding like a good christian.

        I dont know what a good Christian sounds like, I’ve never met one. Hence, being saved for my sins. I’m authentic. My heart is true. My words are harsh sometimes. But you have no idea how I was before my walk with Jesus. Perhaps in your eyes, a good Christian is a lying, dishonest person that walks around acting like something they are not. Someone that acts like they are good. (act is the operative word.) If so, then you’re right! That’s not me.

        Perhaps you are distorted in your belief of what a Christian is. I am a believer of Jesus. Jesus died, rose again the third day, and sits at the right hand side of the throne. Jesus has saved me and I’m going to heaven. Can you say that? Or do you say to yourself, I’m going to hell if I dont change my ways?

        Either way Bob. I 100% do not believe that girl was having sex with that guy against her will. For one reason I dont believe that, she kept going to work. All my comments are based on that belief. And other comments are based on the belief that she is 100% a rape victim. Quite diverse and divided. And none of us will ever know who is right or wrong.

        So y’all have a great day and stop judging me so much and start looking at yourselves.

        • bikeandfish January 3, 2019 at 1:38 pm

          So you get to judge a victim of sexual assault without any evidence but other’s can’t judge your public behavior that is inconsistent with Christianity? That’s an example of a failed understanding of the bible and the teachings of your saviour.

          Your statements here epitomize the problems of born again christianity. It places 100% emphasis on personal salvation and zero emphasis on the tenets of what might be best called discipleship. Separating the two is a denial of the broader and important teachings of Jesus that you claim to value. Its what some have called “cheap grace”. Your Christian bible definitely teaches understanding the human condition of imperfection but not as an excuse. Quite the contrary, its a lesson in moving towards the daily hardwork of being Christian.

          “teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:19-20)

          “Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead” (Phil. 3:12-13)

          Doubling and tripling down on your statements against a victim is not “straining forward” in the lessons of Jesus. I don’t have any ability to deal with your salvation, that’s between you and your personal god. But discipleship is something that happens here and now. I don’t have any need to judge your personhood but your public behavior is fair game for public scrutiny.

        • Redbud January 3, 2019 at 2:58 pm

          Ladybug, I agree with you, I think what happened is we didn’t hear both sides of the story, and there are some things that don’t add up. I think it’s entirely possible she was willingly having sex with him, especially at her age. We can’t prove it, but it certainly can not be ruled out. Whenever we read a news story, sometimes that’s all the information we get, and everyone has the right to their opinions. If there’s information missing, our minds are left to fill in the blanks. Some people think this is being judgmental, but I disagree. Ladybug is a good contributer to the comments section, and she’s not afraid to speak her mind which I admire. It’s good to have people that challenge our thoughts. If you are offended then I don’t know why anyone would read the comments in the first place. You can’t force someone to agree with you, and let’s admit it, we are only human so we often only see “our” side of things, not the other persons. Overall I think the diversity keeps the comment section interesting.

        • Comment January 3, 2019 at 3:41 pm

          I don’t doubt that you’re are person that generally has good intentions, LBA. I could never be a good christian myself, even if I was a believer, because, like you, I have an extremely cynical view of humanity and human nature, in general. I actually don’t know if it’s possible for ANYONE to truly be a good xtian. Hatred of the self, self-sacrifice, and denial of the base instincts of self-preservation, greed, and others seem to be the core tenets of what Jesus preached. It’s sort of a denial and hatred of what we actually are as primate human animals, and so very closely related to monkeys and apes; our behavior is identical is so many aspects. It’s actually rather an insane and absurd philosophy, Christianity. In the end, you’re supposed to sacrifice yourself for something that’s likely to be a delusional fairytale–heaven. Jesus preached that you’re basically supposed to destroy yourself to attain it. Jesus preached about death being your reward for all kinds of toil and pain and sacrifice–a hatred of one’s earthy self to be rewarded with a heaven that may or may not exist. Sorry, LBA, I don’t mean to get all deep and philosophical with this. If I’d have know you’d stew over it I’d not have typed it. I even thought about that after the fact. Because I know you take this xtian stuff extremely seriously.

          Bottom line: it seems that in order to be a “good christian” a person has to be rather self-hating, and, if not outright suicidal, then have some sort of death wish. Impossible standards are, from what I gather, what xtianity is all about. Impossible standards can only ever result in a person going insane. I’ve never met a “good xtian”. Too many hypocrites. I don’t believe goodness has ANYTHING to do with being a believer. Absolutely zero. hmm…..

          • bikeandfish January 3, 2019 at 9:45 pm

            I know plenty of amazing Christians who regularly practice its tenets without hypocrisy or complete self-sacrifice. Its not an impossible task. I have tremendous respect for them. And they exhibit a large amount of grace and joy in their lives.

            I bet LBA is a good enough person as well. Its my default assumption about people even though there is plenty of evidence of people being otherwise. That said, even “good” people act poorly. The question is what do they do when that behavior is exposed as truly harmful. And in this particular case what happens when a Christian behaves completely contrary to the teachings of their saviour? Christian teachings challenge the faithful to learn, repent and “strain forward”. It expects hard work and effort, not to justify the previous behavior because we are all sinners.

            That is the standard LBA has volunteered herself to be critiqued from given she consistently pronounces her Christianity publicly. Its extremely difficult work but its definitely in the realm of possible. And I wouldn’t bring it up if I didn’t assume she was capable.

            One place to start would to be to no longer attack the character of alleged sexual assault victims and make assumptions about their actions or motives when there is no evidence (zero) to back up those claims. And that’s easy work compared to the internalization of doctrine and self-actualization expected of the faithful.

          • Comment January 4, 2019 at 12:21 pm

            Pretty much agree, bike. I feel like there are people who either try to do good and be kind and those that live selfish lives and don’t mind stepping on anyone any time they feel like it, include those who take pleasure in causing suffering and pain. And of course there’s every shade in-between. To some extent people can change. But I generally don’t believe religion can change the character of a person. If they were bad when they started out they are unlikely to change by becoming a believer.

            The level of self-sacrifice Jesus asks of believers, well, I personally believe the doctrine of Christianity is insane and self-destructive in the end. If it turns out there is no Heaven after death Jesus has basically ask believers to offer themselves up as food for wolves, and all for naught. LOL, I suppose they could say I’ll never ‘get it’ as I’m no longer a believer. And I don’t, haha. The cog-dis required to be a “good xtian” is something I don’t understand how anyone can deal with. I actually despise some xtian doctrines like “everything is forgivable if you repent”. I’ll never be a ‘full-on’ atheist, but I feel like at this point I’m probably done with xtianity forever. I’ll stop before this just turns into complete word vomit. Religious discussions are usually quite pointless.

            But I do believe there is a lot more to that rape story than what was released. The guy had no criminal history, so I have trouble believing he’s this psychopathic sexual predator rapist that that news story colored him to be. If a guy makes it into the news with a charge/accusation like that he’s already been convicted by public opinion whether he’s guilty or not. Complete waste of time speculating tho… oh well.

            😉

  • Skeptic January 2, 2019 at 7:20 pm

    “The freshman congressman doth protest too much, methinks!” Oh my. The nation’s second biggest narcissist calling out the nation’s biggest narcissist! yet, another slow news day………..zzz

  • utahdiablo January 2, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    Just Build the … Wall already

    Ed. ellipsis

  • Amelia January 3, 2019 at 9:39 am

    Can we all just start congratulating Trump on his huge victory and building the big beautiful wall, so that he assumes he’s already done it, and can go ahead with getting government started back up. It’s really sad that the people who have to bear the brunt, no matter their affiliation, are the poorer folk who depend on these jobs for meeting their family needs *. At a time when they should be having a good time with their family and enjoying the Holiday season, they are furloughed or working without pay. I hope the politicians can get together and give these families a respite. We have the rest of the year to keep playing politics.

    * Link removed.

  • Kilroywashere January 5, 2019 at 9:15 pm

    18 of 53 comments…. nope Not “Mr. Comments” .. are from Bike & Fish. 35 %. His comments exceed the word length of the article. Now you understand why B&F stands for back and forth. Its is not the quantity of words B&F, it is the quality – I Claudius. Mr. Dahl should consider you for a position as a columnist. seriously LOL. But that would require an honest presentation without dodging, hiding, and not facing facts. YOU ARE THE OFFICIAL 2019 TROLL OF SG NEWS. Buck up, write a column. Otherwise continue to smother the comment section with your liberal propaganda. HELLO , over 1/3 of the comments are from you. Full time job. Either that or SGNews is your life. CONTACT PAUL write your own column. I bet, (but who knows…. ) Paul will give you the opportunity. Otherwise keep on Trolling Mr. 2019 SG Troll of the year.🙄

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