Cliven Bundy: It was murder

ST. GEORGE – Hours after the FBI released raw footage showing the death of Arizona rancher Robert LaVoy Finicum in Oregon, Cliven Bundy discussed his thoughts about the incident and the arrests of his sons, in an exclusive video interview with St. George News.

“LaVoy, he spilt his blood for freedom and liberty and for our Constitution, for his ranching rights,” Bundy said. “There’s one thing I want to say, LaVoy, he spilt his blood for every rancher in this country especially in the western United States.”

Senior Bundy’s sons, Ammon and Ryan, were among a group of five taken into custody Tuesday during a law enforcement blockade that led to a high-speed chase by Oregon State Police and ultimately the shooting and killing of Finicum. Ryan suffered a minor gunshot wound during the incident as well, according to the Associated Press.

Federal agents arrested the brothers and four other associates, including Shawna Cox, for their roles in occupying a federal wildlife refuge Jan. 2. Two other individuals were arrested later the same day including Bundy sympathizer and independent broadcaster Pete Santilli, who live-streamed the occupation.

They are all facing a felony charge under Title 18, United States Code, Section 372, for conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats.

The Washington Post reported Wednesday Bundy’s sons along with the other occupiers remain held in the Multnomah County Jail and appeared in federal court Wednesday in Portland, Oregon.

Federal authorities have since set up a perimeter around the Malheur Wildlife Refuge where the men were holed up for 25 days before their arrest.

In a statement, the FBI said the containment was to “better ensure the safety of community members.”

During a press conference held by the FBI on Wednesday, Special Agent in Charge Greg Bretzing called on the militia still occupying the refuge to leave.

“If the people at the refuge want to leave, they can do so through the checkpoints where they will be identified. If they have questions or concerns, they can call the negotiators at the number that has been provided to them,” Bretzing said.

Oregon Arrests

  • Ammon Bundy, 40, Emmett, Idaho
  • Ryan C. Bundy, 43, Bunkerville
  • Brian Cavalier, 44, Bunkerville
  • Shawna Cox, 59, Kanab, Utah
  • Ryan Waylen Payne, 32, Anaconda, Montana
  • Joseph Donald O’Shaughnessy, 45, Cottonwood, Arizona
  • Peter Santilli, 50, Cincinnati, Ohio

To see the full criminal complaint filed against the Bundys and others charged go to:

To read Cliven Bundy’s opinion go to:

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  • ladybugavenger January 30, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    It probably was murder cliven, but that’s kinda what happens when a building is taken over by a bunch lunatics with assault rifles. I see him get shot in the video, I don’t see him reaching for a gun, even with video we won’t all see the same thing…but really, what did your boys expect to happen?

    • Bender January 30, 2016 at 11:07 pm

      No it probably was not murder.

      • ladybugavenger January 30, 2016 at 11:53 pm

        I watched the video you posted. I can’t tell if he is reaching for a gun. I do see his hands go to his pockets. I do see he is wobbly and off balance, was there a shot fired before he went down like a sack of potatoes?

      • Red Elm February 5, 2016 at 1:50 pm

        It seems to me that whatever “side” a comment takes in the standoff, the first thing any commenter should acknowledge is that showing up heavily armed for a “peaceful” demonstration makes it impossible to have a reasoned discussion. No matter how valid the grievance, armed resistance to our government won’t end well for any protester. If, say, 2000 peaceful protestors had shown up at the refuge and staged an occupation and then allowed themselves to be peacefully arrested and jailed, overwhelming the jails in and around Harney County Oregon, a much stronger point could have been made to a national audience. Only the US Congress can change these laws. We all have been frustrated by at least one bureaucrat, DMV, meter maid, whatever.

    • stacy January 31, 2016 at 2:59 pm

      did YOU listen to what Cliven said? and the FACTS are..these folks NEVER threatened anyone! PERIOD! Why dont you go do your research and grasp what was taking place the last 3 weeks. this was NEVER about damn guns! IT IS ALL ABOUTTHE EVER OVER REACHING FEDERAL GOV! These folks were educating others on THEIR RIGHTS. Do you grasp that? they freely came and went for 3 weeks and never an incident..not until the rogue feds set up a ‘meeting’ but in turn also set up an ambush to murder! And then shut all their voices up! Wake up already!

      • ladybugavenger January 31, 2016 at 4:14 pm

        I’ve fought the government! I know what it’s like and they have guns and I didn’t. Calm down Stacy. It looks like murder to me. They should have left guns at home, then everyone would agree it was murder.

      • ladybugavenger January 31, 2016 at 4:23 pm

        I suppose they experienced a little piece of what the native Americans went through….

        • .... February 1, 2016 at 8:19 am

          Oh geez here we go againnnnnn injun not treated nice. white man make ’em tribe take down teepee move’em reservation make ’em put up condo wigwam WalMart buy ’em buffalo herd make shoes for blue coat. we stuck make ’em squirrel hide moccasins. LOL !

          • ladybugavenger February 1, 2016 at 10:56 pm

            Yep, everyone wants to sweep the genocide under the rug and pretend it didn’t happen.

  • tcrider January 30, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    You are the head of the snake, I hope you and your cronies try and pull some more crap,
    you are about as patriotic and pathetic as a free loader with a sign begging for money on the side of the road that hides his
    identity in order to never serve your country.
    Once the head of the snake is removed, it can no longer free load off of the government,
    nobody wants to hear your false accusations in Saint George and we wish you would just go away
    and leave everyone alone. The people in Oregon didn’t want you or your propaganda b.s. and
    everyone wishes you would buy a boat with holes in it and you would go very far out into the ocean.

  • Bender January 30, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    I hope the good Lord has a special place reserved for manipulative cowards like Bundy and his boys. They collect grievances against others for situations almost completely of their own doing. They then assemble a group of unstable, delusional and criminal followers around them by preaching a distorted narrative of how they’ve been wronged. When it all comes to a head it’s not a Bundy lying there cold and lifeless. Now, Ammon Bundy, from his cell, preaches reasonableness and using the legal system to address these issues. It boggles the mind.

    • IDIOT COMMENTERS January 31, 2016 at 12:07 am

      well he aint such a touch little guy now that he’s locked up

  • Doug January 30, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    thanks to Stg new for getting this interview. It helps show how backward and wrong Cliven Bundy is. I find it hard to believe that the people were made more afraid by the FBI and Police rather than by an armed “militia” (terrorist group) suddenly seizing government property.

    • Citizen January 31, 2016 at 12:26 am

      Let me try to explain what Doug is talking about.

      Armed militia= citizens with rights explained in 2nd amendment and 1st amendment.

      “Terrorist Group”= regular people with rights who are innocent until proven guilty charged with conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties not terrorism.

      Suddenly seizing government property= protesting on now public land for redress of grievance from the Federal government that once belonged to ranchers that were flooded out, bought out, or were forced to sell. The land is now a reserve that animals flee because private land is better maintained.

      Doug= uninformed person commenting about real world events? Now that should make you afraid!

      • Doug January 31, 2016 at 1:57 pm

        sorry, but when they take a government property and occupy it saying that they will kill any officials that try to remove them, I consider them terrorists. Would you feel the same way if it was radical jihadists with assault rifles that took over a courthouse to protest a lack of sharia law?

        • Citizen January 31, 2016 at 10:15 pm

          Some said they would kill or be killed if necessary for their rights if they were shot at with intent to be killed and so would I because it’s called self defense. The right to join with fellow citizens in protest or peaceful assembly is called the First Amendment. Occupying a federal building seems in your mind justify being executed without trial.

          “Would you feel the same way if it was radical jihadists with assault rifles that took over a courthouse to protest a lack of sharia law?” What an absurd bait question. I would feel the exact same way until they started beheading people or any other criminal activity that was dangerous to human life meant to intimidate.

          You have confused criminal or breaking a law with being a terrorist. A terrorist is an “enemy combatant” and is not afforded the same rights as a U.S. citizen.

          Camping on government property(public property) does not make you a terrorist. Being called a radical jihadist doesn’t make you a terrorist. Owning an assault rifle doesn’t make you a terrorist and protesting/occupying at a courthouse doesn’t make you a terrorist.

          What was the criminal activity in Oregon that caused loss of human life that was for the purposes of intimidation?

          How uninformed can you get?

        • Raj January 31, 2016 at 11:33 pm

          You sir, are a mindless… I’m so sick of these clueless, naïve individuals .. The kind of people who have absolutely no idea what is really going on in the world or even their own country
          yet they bash others ..
          you sir are just proving how effective the mass mind control in Amerika is working..
          Your ignorance knows no bounds sir, fix it!

          • .... February 1, 2016 at 8:23 am

            Raj . LOL fix yours first ! Tell us all about it considering how intelligent you are

      • Chris January 31, 2016 at 7:41 pm

        You are incredibly misinformed. No one, not one rancher, has been forced to sell. The Hammonds themselves are proof of that.

        • Citizen February 1, 2016 at 1:39 pm

          Let me clarify that by forced I mean that they were given no better alternative due to the actions of the BLM and the refuge. They were forced into having the best outcome be to sell their ranches. Over the past decades the BLM has flooded land and reduced grazing permits making ranching nearly impossible. The ranchers had to beg the BLM to buy their now worthless land.

  • observer January 30, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    It was not a normal roadblock. There were snipers in the trees and a FBI airplane. It was a set-up, and an ambush. Finicum was shot and killed with his hands in the air. Shot up and on the ground, he again raises a hand in the air! Mr. Special Agent needs to be put on leave along with all participants in Operation ###. LEO’s going from shaking hands and talking with the occupiers to planning their demise? Add mental evaluations by outside third party health care professionals.

    Makes me sick to know it’s all about some land that has metals worth billions, and the greedy paper chasers willing to do “what it takes” to make their transaction for personal gains, without regard to even their own children’s future.

    Why do we send men and women to war, when our very own governmental employees are selling us off to China, Russia, and the oil countries. See it in investments, see it in land acquisitions, see it in immigration visas and we see it in foreign corporations. It’s the root of all this evil going on right now in Oregon, both Burns and Portland.

    Title 18 section 372, at the end of the day, won’t hold up against the occupiers. The doors were open, the FBI had access, and the employees are not “officials” as declared in the law.

    The ranch is held by Hammond Ranch Inc. Defendants Dwight and Steve may have made that agreement, but the Corporation owns the ranch, and is not a party to the contract or a defendant in the case. I have faith the ladies can run the ranch.

    The unlawful imprisonment issue, should be the priority of many law clerks in the state of Oregon. Get that answer through research and quickly climb the attorney status ladder! Get on it law clerks. Here’s some links:

    District Judge Murphy needs to update himself on the three strikes laws in CA. That was amended through Prop 36, Nov 2012. Thousands have already been released.

    • 42214 January 31, 2016 at 8:31 am

      I hope everything you say is right. That makes Finicum’ s death even bigger waste.

      • observer February 1, 2016 at 2:08 pm

        Well let’s see one has been released on OR with conditions – ankle monitor, home detention. Great job PD!

        There is a whole different side to law once it hits the courts. Judicial system is held to due process Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. Soon others will be released. Might want to educate yourself on this part of the system.

        Your one sick individual to speak of a deceased person in such a manner. His death, “the ambush” guaranteed will come with many consequences for those involved. Most definitely an independent investigation will be ongoing and through the Freedom of Information Act and those seeking that information, more “light” will be shed.

        • 42214 February 1, 2016 at 10:49 pm

          Too bad they weren’t all murdered in the ambush. A hellfire missle from an AH-1 would have solved the problem, don’t you think observer.

    • IDIOT COMMENTERS January 31, 2016 at 12:26 pm

      this guy types a lot of words but fails to make a valid point… so what is it?

      • .... February 1, 2016 at 8:26 am

        I think he said uh uh duh uh uh lets see uh duh uh oh and he also said uh uh duh uh uh duh duh and we’ll uh uh duh

        • observer February 1, 2016 at 3:13 pm

          …. Dumbing of America….

          • .... February 1, 2016 at 5:08 pm

            So you’re dumbing yourself ?

      • observer February 1, 2016 at 3:12 pm

        Go get an education. One doesn’t need a “pointer” to show any layman what the words mean. They are clear and precise.

        It appears that the US Attorney did not “acknowledge” their rights to appeal in the plea agreement. My understanding there wasn’t a written plea agreement, but the agreement was on record. It’s still a procedural error.

        Either way and directly from their rule book: “Government’s Right to Appeal -The use of a sentencing appeal waiver in a plea agreement to bar an appeal by the defendant does not require the government to waive its right to appeal an adverse sentencing ruling. The government’s retention of its right to appeal the sentence while requiring the defendant to waive his or her right to appeal does not violate any right of the defendant. Cf. United States v. Marin, supra (noting existence of “one-sided” sentencing appeal waiver provisions in plea agreement). HOWEVER, the Fourth Circuit has held that if the government wishes to retain its right to appeal the sentence while requiring the defendant to waive his or her right to appeal the sentence, the government MUST explicitly reserve its right to appeal the sentence in the plea agreement. The government’s retention of its appeal rights will not be inferred by silence or omission in the plea agreement. United States v. Guevara, 941 F.2d 1299 (4th Cir. 1991), cert. denied, 503 U.S. 977 (1992)………..”

        Doesn’t appear that they followed 11(e)(1)(C) because the sentence would have been “known” to the Defendant.

        Looks like some judicial and/or legislative office has the duty to bring this to “light”, even though the Defendants followed their waiver rights procedures and now sit in prison re-doing time in a re-do sentencing. If the system can’t do a check and balance on itself, then put up a bill that does, and make that bill retro-active.

        • IDIOT COMMENTERS February 1, 2016 at 5:00 pm

          there you go rattling on and on. you need to be concise and make your point………so what is it?

        • .... February 1, 2016 at 5:10 pm

          Get an ejukayshun !

        • Chris February 1, 2016 at 5:12 pm

          It is you who needs the education. You appear to be positioning yourself as some sort of jailhouse lawyer, but you fail miserably. The issue of the sentencing appeal waiver is explicitly addressed by the 9th Circuit in its decision. With regards to US v Guevara, they state simply “we reject that position.” after citing numerous decisions to the contrary of Guevara. Besides, 4th Circuit decisions are irrelevant to anything in Oregon absent their adoption by the 9th Circuit or by SCOTUS (who significantly rejected the Hammond’s petition for review). The essence of the 9th Circuit decision eliminates any necessity that the prosecution “acknowledge” anything to retain their right to appeal sentencing. Thus, the “procedural error” you claim is all in your head. You continue to make a complete fool of yourself in posing as a layman expert on the law.

        • 42214 February 1, 2016 at 10:52 pm

          You’re a regular Elena Kagan, a short lesbian.

  • IDIOT COMMENTERS January 31, 2016 at 12:06 am

    Bundy is fairly typical of a So. UT mormon. lying, hypocritical, backwards, delusional, and completely full of himself

    • tcrider January 31, 2016 at 9:16 am

      Dragging the mormon faith into this is wrong, Salt Lake already denounced these idiots, and most of my friends here are mormons. What is wrong, is the fact that Cliven, the head of the terrorists is trying to use religion and
      his lies to manipulate the local yocals into making stands against the law with assault rifles, I have yet to see cliven the coward do any thing himself, he is a blowhard, all talk and no action, I pray for the day that our country takes him down.

      • anybody home January 31, 2016 at 3:29 pm

        I agree with all you say about the Bundys, but the Mormon faith was very much a part of this rodeo. Ammon spoke of it often and help prayer meetings for his crew as well as visitors who arrived there in the early days. A lot of the supplies they were receiving were surely from the Mormon community (maybe not the dildos but who knows for sure)…His frequent announcements that he’d had a revelation and God sent him to Oregon are part of the Mormon background to all this. I’m afraid that although they don’t want to, the fellas in Salt Lake are going to have to own this one.

        • IDIOT COMMENTERS January 31, 2016 at 7:46 pm

          dildos?… huh?

          • .... February 1, 2016 at 3:38 pm

            What ! dildos ? is that a gun toting Mormon thing ? LOL ! how in the world did a dildo become part of the Bundy comment section ? I’m sure that idiot digger has one to LOL !

          • IDIOT COMMENTERS February 1, 2016 at 4:50 pm


    • stacy January 31, 2016 at 3:00 pm

      You obviously do NOT even KNOW your own rights! Are you that stupid? Do your self a favor and read our founding documents..but I am guessing your too lazy to do such a thing! You prefer to keep your knee pads on for the slave you prefer to be!

      • Rainbow Dash January 31, 2016 at 9:29 pm

        Hey Stacy Speaking of slaves, How many other “Sister Wives” do you share your cousin with?

  • .... January 31, 2016 at 12:58 am

    The only murderer here is that idiot Bundy and his band of morons

  • Michael January 31, 2016 at 1:22 am

    time to lock up Cliven and seize all his and sons property to pay the millions they owe us freeloaders

    • digger January 31, 2016 at 9:47 am

      you need some sleep 1:30 am??

      • .... January 31, 2016 at 11:00 am

        What do you care what time a comment is posted ! some people leave a comment at 2 or 3 am because they’re working nights stupid !

        • digger February 1, 2016 at 9:35 pm

          Wow, you guys or gals are plain Mean???

  • digger January 31, 2016 at 7:01 am

    It Was an Ambush Murder, The Agent Behind Him Could Have Tazed Him,but he was Already Shot.
    The Poor Agents I Am Sure Arent Sleeping Much Knowing What They Did.
    The Can Justify It All They Want,And They Will.

    • .... January 31, 2016 at 11:02 am

      You are such an idiot

      • digger February 1, 2016 at 7:34 am

        want my Address so You Can Tell Me that in PERSON, Coward, Hide Behind Words.

        • .... February 1, 2016 at 9:30 am

          You’re such an idiot

        • .... February 1, 2016 at 9:33 am

          Oh wow I’m really scared Idiot !

        • 42214 February 1, 2016 at 9:46 am

          Sure, what part of Dixie Downs do you live in? The trailer park on the east or west side of the street?

          • .... February 1, 2016 at 5:13 pm

            Yeah digger is such a dildo and gun toting keyboard warrior eh ?
            Got me scared LOL !

    • schrsty January 31, 2016 at 12:16 pm

      You can’t taze someone through a heavy winter coat. And why would you want to when that person is a fugitive who has stated that they are never unarmed and have vowed to resist arrest.

    • Chris January 31, 2016 at 3:31 pm

      Are you new to the English language? What’s with all the improper capitalizations? Your level of illiteracy is on a par with the rest of the Bundy supporters.

    • anybody home January 31, 2016 at 3:40 pm

      You are so wrong about this. I’m sure it makes you feel justified in your wingnut opinions, but Finicum was not murdered. And there was no ambush. You need to watch a few more cowboy movies. It’s the bad guys who do the ambushing. Not the law. You probably really wanted to be there, right?

    • 42214 February 1, 2016 at 11:42 am

      Hope it was murder and the agents get a pay raise.

      • .... February 1, 2016 at 5:31 pm

        I second that ! and I hope they get a promotion also.those agents are hero’s !

  • delong January 31, 2016 at 7:15 am

    Cliven, you give ranchers a bad name. Good lucky with the FBI as you have been trespassing on public land since 1993. With any luck you will be locked up next.

    • stacy January 31, 2016 at 3:01 pm

      No he didn’t…and you are another one who obviously has NO clue to what the feds are doing. You prefer to sit on your clueless high horse and make random stupid remarks about things you know nothing of! NOTHING! YOU are exactly why the feds are murdering Americans to steal what is OURS!

      • anybody home January 31, 2016 at 3:38 pm

        And you, I’m sure, know nothing about how things are in Oregon. Other places are not like Utah.

      • ladybugavenger January 31, 2016 at 4:28 pm

        genocide of Native Americans over the land…and now white people crying it’s their land. How does it feel?

        • .... February 1, 2016 at 8:32 am

          Oh geez here we go again.. white man steal’em land that we steal’em first. hey did you get your marshmallow roasting permit yet ?

          • ladybugavenger February 1, 2016 at 7:52 pm

            Had the marshmallow roasting party last night, fire department came and I showed them my permit. And they roasted marshmallows too and then we all did a rain dance and put the fire out. It was awesome!

      • Chris January 31, 2016 at 7:34 pm

        If Cliven is not giving ranchers a bad name, then explain why the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association did not back up the Bundy’s. They were conspicuously silent during the entire confrontation in Bunkerville, and that speaks volumes. The Bundy’s are an embarrassment to anyone in the ranching community who abides by the law and conducts themselves responsibly. The Bundy’s are thieves, plain and simple.

  • .... January 31, 2016 at 11:05 am

    Bundy sure has that idiot digger fooled

    • digger February 1, 2016 at 7:35 am

      We Know Who The Fool is Here. lol

      • .... February 1, 2016 at 9:31 am

        You’re such an idiot

        • digger February 1, 2016 at 9:37 pm

          Yep, we read who the idiots are.????

      • Chris February 1, 2016 at 9:36 am

        Yes, the fool is the one with all the weird capitalizations. Where did you learn to write?

  • F Gregg January 31, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    I would appreciate everyone viewing my statement to the FBI on this link >

    • IDIOT COMMENTERS February 1, 2016 at 12:22 pm

      this site is someone’s personal blog, so it’s not really a reputable site, and Mr Gregg wanders far into kook territory with his statement–we even get to hear about the occult, agenda 21, and assassination conspiracies, and there’s no way i could listen to him blather on in an hour long video. way to kooky..

  • voice of reason January 31, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    To the editor: Can you please move this article to the opinion section so people don’t confuse it with real news? Thanks.

    • .... January 31, 2016 at 9:35 pm

      Shut up ! VOR

    • digger February 1, 2016 at 9:39 pm

      Good idea, these folks are real frustrated with life, just read all this fun stuff.??✌?️

  • anybody home January 31, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    Just an update for the folks in St. George. Shawna Cox has been released although not sure whether or not she’s been allowed to leave Oregon. (We’d be glad to get rid of her, but of course, she still has to show up for a trial). The 4 remaining at the refuge have now had communications cut off – phones and internet so we don’t have to watch all that any longer. We’re waiting to see what happens next.

    Shawna Cox says that LaVoy Finicum was shouting at the law to shoot him. Apparently he said the magic word, because they did when he went for his gun. Finicum had a choice. He made it. Nobody was murdered. We feel sorry for the officer who had to make it happen but this is what happens when a criminal refuses to obey orders to stop and surrender. Cliven Bundy’s time in jail is coming.

    In the future, please keep the Utah/Nevada/AZ yahoos in Utah/Nevada/AZ. The people of Oregon have had more than enough of them and are working hard to heal the wounds in this community. Unlike LaVoy Finicum, they did not have a choice.

    • IDIOT COMMENTERS January 31, 2016 at 7:53 pm

      LOL anybody home. you talk about oregon like it’s this wonderful mecca of perfection. i’ve encountered plenty of white trash hillbillies, kooks, scumbags and dopers up there. u go on and on like a broken rocord

      • IDIOT COMMENTERS January 31, 2016 at 7:53 pm


        • .... February 1, 2016 at 8:34 am

          Anybody home has absolutely NO clue

    • Citizen January 31, 2016 at 11:00 pm

      Keep people out of Oregon? Over 50% of the land and growing within Oregon’s borders doesn’t even belong to the state, it belongs to the Federal government. The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, otherwise known as a public land to the people of the United States of America, will continue to grow and your state of Oregon will continue to have less land to guard against us yahoos in Utah/Nevada/AZ.

      Also I’m glad you are no longer forced to watch these things by the State of Oregon but at least your eagerly waiting to see what happens next. Wait, what? I thought the people of Oregon have had more than enough of them and are working hard to heal the wounds in their community. I guess we all have choices.

  • Thom January 31, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    No, it wasn’t murder. But if LaVoy Finicum had succeeded in reaching his handgun in the inside pocket of his jacket…it would have been the murder of a member of law enforcement.

  • CDub January 31, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    I don’t understand a ‘news organization’ going out of its way to attempt to make this man into some kind of folk hero. SGN continues to paint him in a favorable light without due journalistic ‘balance’. SGN prefers to focus on ‘colorful’ headlines over and over on Facebook posting traffic accidents, drug busts, and now the Bundy’s and their merry men. It’s irresponsible journalism and I wish the SGN would stop trying trying to influence its readers how to think.

  • ladybugavenger January 31, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    Murder, not murder, he wasn’t going to jail alive. He got what he wanted. He died for his cause. No blame to the officers either way. Of course, if he was black Obama would be all over this.

  • Raj January 31, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    Fellow Patriots..
    Our federal government no longer follows the constitution, therefore it is a illegal entity, put it differently, Our federal government breaks the law, with complete disregard to the constitution..
    We do not need to break away from the federal government, the federal government has broken away from us, since it no longer obey’s the constitution the supreme law of the land…
    We must recognize our true government the constitution..
    We must recognize that when our public servants, disobey or ignore the constitution, they are the ones who is breaking the law, and they no longer have any allegiance to the citizens of this country ..

    • digger February 1, 2016 at 7:36 am


    • .... February 1, 2016 at 8:36 am

      Hey Raj call Dr Phil ! Your mind broke away from you LOL !

    • ladybugavenger February 3, 2016 at 12:12 am

      And yes public servants cutting and pasting documents to harm people, late night shredding parties, and protection from the system to do it. And completely protected from the judges…it’s hard to get a fair judicial process with corruption….It’s not just in LA County?

  • CDub February 1, 2016 at 2:29 pm

    To those of you who are making a lot of unsubstantiated claims (ambush murder, he only carried a gun on his right hip, or, he wasn’t armed, stuff you don’t know for sure), take a look at this moment-by-moment analysis. This article provides enough information to make it difficult for reasonable people to listen solely to an obviously biased Cliven Bundy, who wasn’t even there at the shooting of Lavoy Finicum. This article is NOT the result of a federal, state or local review, but it gives enough information to make reasonable people want to wait to make their claims of murder until after a formal investigation is completed.

  • IDIOT COMMENTERS February 1, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    of all the places to make a political point these bundy loonies choose a bird preserve, and protesting the right of criminals to destroy public lands. Can’t get over how ridiculous they are. Some of us actually like birds. Why not go occupy an INS office and force them to do their job deporting illegals? that’s something i’d support fully. Bundys = idiocy and failure

    • IDIOT COMMENTERS February 1, 2016 at 5:03 pm

      U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), not INS… both abysmal failure tho…

  • .... February 1, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    Build the wall !

    • digger February 1, 2016 at 9:41 pm

      He’s gonna win you poor soul.????.
      Go ahead. Rant???

  • Harold S. February 3, 2016 at 5:27 am

    Very interesting to read how split this opinions are about this situation. Almost divided right down the middle. We’ll that’s exactly how I feel, divided right down the middle in regards to this entire situation. This was certainly not one sided by any means. I believe that both sides of this situation, the occupiers and the federal officers, are both to blame here. I do not feel that these occupiers had any legal right to do what they did, and I most certainly feel that the federal officers could have and should have handled this situation entirely different and achieve the same results, except for the shooting. Both sides were right and both sides were wrong. The thing I find so disturbing is the lack of willingness on both parts to effectively communicate with each other to resolve their differences. This shooting should have NEVER happened. These occupiers should have NEVER egged the federal government on like they did with their threats and challenges prior to this incident. No wonder these federal officers were on such high alert. Shame on the federal officers for such a strong use of force and a very dangerous and ineffective method to make a few arrests. I certainly am not going to pretend that I have all the answers, because I do not. I do know one thing, and that’s the loss and pain that this man’s poor family must be going through at this time. My heart goes out to each and every one of them with the utmost respect and sympathy for their feelings. I just hope that this family can have a peaceful memorial service for this man without the conflict, hate and discontentment that has gone on here. Enough is enough. Have respect for this family PLEASE!!!!! This memorial service is a time for the family and close friends to lay their lost loved one to rest, not a time for more protesting. I just hope that the public will give this family the respect that they deserve.

  • edgar52 February 3, 2016 at 10:45 am

    What happened in Oregon was a tragedy that could have been avoided if the Bundy’s and their followers had simply decided not to break the law. The fault of what happened rests solely on them. Mr. Finicum, who died, should not have placed himself in harms-way and stayed home with his family. It was his choice to drive to Oregon and commit a felony. He did not have to jump out of his truck, after almost running over a police officer, and start acting crazy. You folks need to stop attempting to turn him into a martyr. He was simply a misguided individual who made some very bad choices.

    Furthermore, It’s about time that all the Bundy’s are arrested for their crimes. The old man racist Bundy in Bunkerville owes the Federal government—and me, you and every American citizen—over a million dollars in back grazing fees. It’s time to remove the offending cattle from our public land and throw them all in jail.

    In addition, it’s time to put a stop to this ridiculous notion that the States in some way are owed this public land. The States never owned the land in the first place and the only reason certain State legislators what to get their hands on it is so they can sell it off the highest bidder. If you like to hunt, fish or camp you can say goodbye to all of those activities unless you are willing to pay the new owners—and that’s assuming that the land still exists in its present condition and hasn’t been clear-cut or strip-mined. Short term profits with a total disregard for long-term damage. People need to think about this before they buy into it.

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