On the EDge: Let those young people dance

OPINION – The City of St. George likes to position itself as a family-friendly enclave with something for everyone.

Oh, really?

I guess if you are into running ridiculous lengths on a chilly morning, or playing pickleball in the Geezer Games, it’s true.

But, what if your blood is still young and warm?

You are up that proverbial creek without a paddle.

Especially if you like to dance.

The Monster Mash fiasco at, of all places, Fiesta Fun, earned the City of St. George yet another black eye, and this time not only among the young people who have no voice in their community.

There is a disputed permit thing surrounding some police action at this family center that resulted in threats of arrest if the music was turned up and people, God forbid, danced.

The incident went national this weekend when “Saturday Night Live” did a bit about it during its broadcast.

So, once again, Utah’s image takes a pratfall on the national stage.

To outsiders, Utah is pretty well sized up as the state of 3.2 beer and 5.7 wives. Add bizarre regulations about public dancing and, well, you get the picture.

There’s a whole lot to question here.

Does, indeed, the city require somebody planning a dance to submit a permit application 30 days in advance of the event?

Marc Mortensen, the assistant to the city manager, has said the reason the city requires permits to be handed in 30 days before an event is so the city department and associated third parties, like the Southwest Utah Public Health Department, have adequate time to review it. A final decision for approval is then put before the City Council.

At best, that’s a cumbersome, promoter-unfriendly way to do business, and, rather arbitrary. First of all, it shouldn’t take 30 days for the health department to decide if the permit meets public health standards. Second, who are the other “associated third parties” that need to be drawn into the equation and why should it take 30 days to get their approval? Finally, why on Earth should the City Council have the final approval for a dance? Do the local high schools seek council approval for the prom? That’s a dance held on public property. Do you need a permit for a wedding celebration where there will be music and dancing? More importantly, the section of city code referenced takes into account all outdoor events. Would this then mean every high school football game requires a permit? Or, is the issue of holding a dance an arbitrary decision left in the hands of the council or, as seems in this case, a cop on the beat? What if there is bad blood between the council and promoter?

To complicate this issue, there is a dispute that the original permit may have been altered after the fact.

If that is truly the case, I would expect, and rightly so, the promoter to file a massive civil lawsuit against the city. STGNews has, by the way, published the permit submitted by the promoter and amended pages offered by the city. Nowhere on the city’s exhibit is the amended information initialed or acknowledged in any way by the promoter.

Where the promoter made his mistake is in not speaking directly with the City Attorney when he tried to clear the matter. He ended up in discussion with a deputy. Never talk to a second in command because it gives the guy at the top an out to say: “Oops, my assistant made a mistake. Sorry.” It’s how many people get away without accepting accountability.

So, where can young people go to have fun? Where can they go, what can they do to hang out with people of their own generation and interests?

As part of the geezer demographic, I realize that I don’t share a lot with the younger folks. Our tastes are very different in music, films, and pop culture and that it would be tragic to try to rope them into the things that I enjoy. I remember what it was like to get into the car with Mom and Dad and how it felt to have them punch in the easy listening station on the radio when I was young, so if they want to listen to Kanye West instead of The Beatles, so be it, and if they think this edition of “Saturday Night Live” is cool and edgy, I won’t preach about how truly cool and edgy it was when it began its groundbreaking run on network television. And, although I don’t dance very well, I certainly wouldn’t want to deny anybody else the right to cut a rug, as they said in the old days.

What I also recall from my youth is the tendency to rebel against and challenge authority that was unreasonable and misplaced.

It bothers me that there is a chance that the permit was altered after it was issued. It bothers me that the city would have such a narrow-minded and uptight attitude that it would hold such tight control over something as innocuous as who holds a dance. But, mostly, it bothers me when young people are disrespected and treated shabbily.

Just because we are older and people from our age group occupy the seat of power does not mean we hold the key to all wisdom and good decisions. There is plenty evidence to support my point.

These young people are good, solid people. We have raised them to be just that.

But, they are young, much younger than us, and deserving of a world that they fit into, which will, hopefully, be much different and better than the one we have created for them.

Time to cut them lose – footloose, perhaps – and let them have the kind of fun they want and deserve.

Ed Kociela is an opinion columnist. The opinions stated in this article are his and not representative of St. George News.

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69 Comments

  • Koolaid November 4, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Permit permission must come from the secretive Private Panty Party that seems to govern this town. Don’t forget to vote today. If you want change, don’t reelect those same old Private Panty Party members currently in office. It’s time to change those Panties, maybe opt for some boxers, tighty whities, a thong or victoria secrets… just no more of those secret undies. They don’t listen.

  • eyolf November 4, 2014 at 11:05 am

    This is the most ridiculous opinion article that has been published yet on St. George News. I realize everyone is entitled to their opinion but there comes a point when even some opinions reflect negatively on the organization that publishes them. I encourage St. George News to use some discretion and make sure articles are based on some remote facts, not uneducated mindless rambling.

    • My Evil Twin November 4, 2014 at 12:23 pm

      Uh-huh. And just who do you work for? The city mis-manager, or the police department?
      The only thing ridiculous here is your post.

    • Herd November 4, 2014 at 1:43 pm

      Who’s got you bent over?

    • Leo November 4, 2014 at 1:54 pm

      Eyolf…..you have some sort of mental issues. Please get help before it’s too
      late.

    • Rebecca November 4, 2014 at 4:05 pm

      This is one of the best pieces I have read.

    • Kevin Bacon, yes, I am the real thing November 4, 2014 at 5:03 pm

      I think this article is JUST what your “fair” metropolitan city needed. But, who am I of all people – stars-or not to say, right?

      ED. NOTE: We are unable to verify this is the real Kevin Bacon.

    • Snapper November 4, 2014 at 6:45 pm

      Eyolf. Are you kidding me? You do not like the opinion that someone else has so it is not right. Wow I thought we lived in America. Land of free speech. Eyolf you are a disgrace to humankind. It is time for you to get the hell out of Saint George and leave us normal people alone. Good bye and good riddance.

    • Zonkerb November 4, 2014 at 7:22 pm

      The only STUPID MINDLESS comment here is yours

    • DAVE RABBITT November 5, 2014 at 5:32 am

      EYOLF – Ed Kociela is (in my opinion) preying on the misled youth, for a little popularity. This story added fuel to the fire and the few facts it mentioned were way out-of-context. Jared Keddington misled the event attendants, that there was going to be a dance party, even after compromising with the city, that no dancing would be allowed. He even asked the city if they had any “EVENT PARKING SIGNS”, whining that it would be difficult to have those made within a 24 hour period. He continue to shove only the first page of his precious permit, with its stamp of APPROVAL, in everyone’s face.
      Yet he fails to mention the other 4 and the numerous emails sent and received, regarding this event. The city APPROVED his Special Event Permit, with the stipulation that there would be “NO DANCING” and “NO RANDOM ACTS OF DANCING”. The “random acts” would be his scapegoat, if people were told they couldn’t dance, but danced to the music regardless. He collects his money, the event would have been shut down and he comes out smelling like a rose. His false Woe-Is-Wittle-Me attitude , along with Ed’s “Politicians Kissing Babies” rhetoric, is just what this City’s youth need. Let’s teach them all to mistrust all levels of authority and to follow social media views / opinions blindly. I think that perhaps most people WANT to believe the promoter, even after being presented all the facts. Oh well, I’ll continue to choose the Red Pill, rather than the Blue.

      • sagemoon November 5, 2014 at 8:50 am

        Wow. I hope the cops don’t get called the next time I bust out in a “random act of dancing.” I guess I better stay away from all the live music at these city sponsored events downtown. No more music in St. George! I might get arrested for dancing and I can’t afford to lose my job.

      • jen November 5, 2014 at 4:43 pm

        thank you David for your voice of reason! i am unbelievably sick of hearing about all this. if the promoter had followed proper procedure he could have easily gotten the entire event approved. the only reason he had to have council approval is because the business he was holding the event at wasn’t licensed for dances. Schools are, wedding and reception venues are – fiesta fun center is not designed to hold dances at. Ed how about you do some actual research before you write and hand out the truth instead of just jumping on the bandwagon?!

  • SD November 4, 2014 at 11:16 am

    “So, where can young people go to have fun? ” Mesquite, that’s where. So instead of providing a wholesome place where college kids can go to just dance and have fun, we are driving them away to neighboring, less rigid, states, where they can have fun but also drink. And they are spending their money there and the city is losing revenue because they are so tight-a$$ed about being moral police instead of civic servants. And who’s morality are they enforcing, anyway? There is a very narrow brand of religion being served up from our City Council. It doesn’t belong in the chambers. It is, in fact, morally reprehensible to force-feed religion down the throats of civic code. That was what the founding fathers were dead-set against. Maybe it’s time for a law suit. The situation needs to change.

  • My Evil Twin November 4, 2014 at 11:25 am

    And once again, I have to agree with Ed’s viewpoint. That in itself is kind of scary! But the thing that Ed has missed here, I believe, is that it is an issue of control. The powers that be in the city of St. George, wish to have people believe that they are under the control of benevolent despots, and all good comes from the city government. They are absolutely terrified, however, that someone or something is going to come along and threaten the control that they perceive themselves to have. They are riding for a fall, and it is coming.

  • sleepy hallow November 4, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Ed Kociela for St. George City Mayor!!!

    • Notagain November 4, 2014 at 6:04 pm

      Oh SLEEPY HALLOW really, Ed for Mayor? Really? He might make a good disc Jockey at a Wood Stock out west gig. But Mayor? (Not).
      Ed Kociela has the perfect spot in our community as a ‘left of center’ commentator on this St. George News feed. Ed reminds me a lot of the lead character in the Music Man Musical selling trombones to the town folks.
      The current mayor and city counsel? they don’t even know whats in the code. Don’t worry, this will all blow over in a week or two (as long as the ACLU doesn’t pick up on it). Good article Mr. Ed.

  • Devan Stringham November 4, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Bravo Sir : ) This whole Permit to Dance reminds me of what it would have been like to be a Scottish during the English Invasion, and Occupancy back in 1296 – 1328. The English wouldn’t allow the Scottish their God Given Rights to play the Bag Pipes, and Dance!!! What is the difference between City Council Rule, and the English King back then?

  • Matthew Sevald November 4, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Ed, I don’t usually see eye to eye with you on many issues (though I believe you are coming from an honest place with the best intentions) but this time you’re spot on. Thanks for speaking up.

  • Alice November 4, 2014 at 11:39 am

    Thanks for the laugh, being a geezer myself, I loved the descriptions of us geezers! I think the kids should be able to dance, for that matter, I would like to also, but where?
    Mesquite? No thanks! Hopefully this mess will be cleared up with appropriate pressure from the public. Good luck kids, I’m rooting for you!

  • ducks November 4, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Well Ed I usually don’t agree with you, but I say you are spot ON!! Great article!!!
    !!

  • DAVE RABBITT November 4, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Article after article and you guys just won’t let this rest?

    Nowhere in your rant, do you mention the FACT, that an email was sent (A day PRIOR to the event, at 10:28 a.m.) to the event promoters Jared and Chantelle, that stated:

    * The dance and music portions of your event cannot occur without prior approval of the St. George City Council. This portion of your event will not be permitted.

    Then, it explains WHY, in the next paragraph:

    * The estimated number of attendees warrants an overflow parking plan that needs to include;

    ** Approval letter from the owner of the temporary parking lot (dated and signed by the owner).

    ** A site map, for the parking.

    ** Approval by the Southwest Utah Public Health Department.

    ** Proof of the State Tax ID# for the Fiesta Family Fun Center, as they will be collecting all revenue for this event, including ticket sales.

    This email was Cc’d to: Paula Houston, Scott Staley and Robert Beers.

    There was another article that stated:
    “Applicants shall submit adequate plans and information for the city to determine that the events will not interfere with the safety and general welfare of the community, nor violate any zoning, parking, licensing or other requirement or ordinance of the city”.

    The event promoters seem to have tried to plan this event only a few days beforehand, rather than the REQUIRED “30” days. They also appear to have failed to provide all the necessary documents and signed approvals that were required, to hold this event.

    What is it, with the spoiled-sport / uneducated / Gimme-GetMe-Iwant attitude, that prevails with most of Southern Utah? No matter what VALID REASON one may provide for their concerns, people still whine because they do not receive IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATION.

    Restrictions and rules are in place, to provide public safety. Would the estimate of 600-1000 attendants violate their “Maximum Occupancy”? Would another 500-1000 people on top of that, violate city parking ordinances?

    Would the potential threat of a simple fight, turning into a riot, be cause for concern?
    Would the potential threat of a fire, be cause for a concern?

    This is why the city requires 30 days advance notice, to take every “hypothetical danger” into consideration.

    • My Evil Twin November 4, 2014 at 12:25 pm

      They should not let this rest, until the laws have been changed. There is no reason for the situation to have occurred the way it did, and there is no reason to “let this situation rest.” It almost sounds like you are working for the city now. “LET’S SWEEP THIS UNDER THE RUG!” “LET’S MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE CITY’S ACTIONS HERE!”
      It is time these little tin Hitlers got their butts handed to them on a platter.

    • ladybugavenger November 4, 2014 at 1:12 pm

      Come out of the rabbit hole….the petition was stamped approved with dancing checked on it and the email means nothing. Anyways, why do you need a permit to dance on private property, nonetheless?

    • Herd November 4, 2014 at 1:42 pm

      Get rid of the stupid ordinance. People are sick of challenging this stupid ordinance that the city will not change or get rid of. How ridiculous do you have to be to keep saying rules are rules? Instead, you should say stupid is stupid and this ordinance is stupid. Enough of it. Get rid of it!

    • Chris November 4, 2014 at 3:12 pm

      Despite your second lengthy post, you still have not explained why the permit was issued except for dancing. If the rules are in place for a reason, why was a permit issued at all? We are not letting it rest because people like you are not addressing the real controversy. How would dancing have changed the public safety aspect of this gathering?

    • Rebecca November 4, 2014 at 4:07 pm

      The point is you should not need a permit to dance

    • Kevin Bacon, yes, I am the real thing November 4, 2014 at 5:07 pm

      The infamous question “WHY” a city council has to approve a NON-alcoholic, apparently family-friendly dance at a family fun center will not go away until the beautiful, diversified youth –and grown ups alike, feel fairly represented and also feel like they’re still living in the US of A.

      ED. NOTE: We are unable to verify this is the real Kevin Bacon.

    • Snapper November 4, 2014 at 6:51 pm

      Dave rabbit. All of the things addressed in your ( I am a city employee rant) were address. Parking, security, health, fire. And so on. You were not there and did not go through the process so you have no idea what you are talking about.

      Maybe you should actually talk or listen to some one that was there and no just the police trying to act tough and all bad.

    • Zonkerb November 4, 2014 at 7:26 pm

      Hey Rabbit were not going to let this rest so shut up and go back to your city job

    • Hiker November 4, 2014 at 8:02 pm

      Blah, blah, blah, blah. They need to stop sticking their noses where they do not belong. This geezer loves to dance. There is no where I can go!

    • Herd November 4, 2014 at 9:11 pm

      City council needs to keep their noses out of my underwear.

  • Bev Lowe November 4, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Quote: To outsiders, Utah is pretty well sized up as the state of 3.2 beer and 5.7 wives. Add bizarre regulations about public dancing and, well, you get the picture. I LOL’d on that one!!!

  • WM52 November 4, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    It’s just dancing, for … sake! How/why is that a concern to public safety? Let the kids have a little fun. This city is ridiculous.
    Ed. ellipsis

  • sagemoon November 4, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Great article, Ed.

  • flashlight November 4, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    Events like these have a way of bringing out our preconceived biases about “southern Utah” culture. Those of you who must feel like you’re living among the Amish have gleefully swallowed the whole Footloose theme and whined about how the poor restless kids can’t have any fun unless they escape to Mesquite. This event and others like it (involving hundreds of participants) aren’t a problem as long as the promoters don’t turn in the forms last minute then cry oppression when the problem is a lack of planning and consideration of venue. It must be hard to accept any form of regulation when you’re special.

    • Kevin Bacon, yes, I am the real thing November 4, 2014 at 5:20 pm

      There should be no permit for this – especially for kids dances at a family fun center of all things. 30 days to be approved? Heavy policing to ensure there is no dancing? (LOL) Your city government is clearly getting what it wants….NO dancing. NO young people getting out for good, clean, social fun. Period. I 110% support and encourage (peaceful but affirmative) protests in your city

      ED. NOTE: We are unable to verify this is the real Kevin Bacon.

      • Bender November 4, 2014 at 10:23 pm

        Tweet it dude or it ain’t real.

    • Snapper November 4, 2014 at 6:58 pm

      Flashlight. Really. A permit is needed to hold a dance on private property. Have you been to fiesta fun lately and looked at how close all the neighbors are. You are probably one of those city employees that issue the permits and can feel the power of doing it?

      • flashlight November 5, 2014 at 9:23 am

        Hi Snapper,
        No, not a city employee. I don’t live in St. George but I work here. I take the view that there is no dark conspiracy to banish youthful fun here. Rather, this was a poorly planned (at best) or dishonest (at worst) effort that tried to circumvent regulations that everyone else has to comply with. Could the system be improved/loosened? Sure, and it sounds like they are willing to re-evaluate the approval process.

  • Chris November 4, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    “This is why the city requires 30 days advance notice, to take every “hypothetical danger” into consideration.”

    So, apparently, by issuing the permit without the 30 days notice, the city did not take every danger into account. Your flaky explanation makes the city looks negligent.

    • Herd November 4, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      Just like the city shut down its office and stopped issuing marriage licenses the day Amendment 3 was deemed Unconstitutional and Discriminatory. Don’t try to tell us the city doesn’t exert its authority to demonstrate bias and preferential treatment. Otherwise, how does councilman Almquist get away with his numerous code violations and use of city assets to repair a broken sidewalk in front of his private rental properties?

      • Herd November 4, 2014 at 3:50 pm

        And operate a landscaping business in an area zoned residential while another permit applicant was denied operating a mail order operation out of her home.

  • Just Saying November 4, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    I too don’t agree with everything you write, but this is so “on the mark” Ed. There’s hope for you yet Ed.

  • asianspa November 4, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    I remember during Mayor McCarthur’s reign during City Council meetings the word “Aesthetics” was thrown around quite a bit. The word is appropriate as this town is all about aesthetics . The people in power dont want it seen that their fine upstanding youth in our mormon community dancing to music they deem offensive, touching each other affectionately outside the bounds of wedlock , etc.. They would rather these things not be seen so we can continue with our fine celestial facade. The celestial facade of those in this town seems to be more heavily fought for than that of any sort of morality itself.

    Dates are done in groups, G rated movies are watched, and all dates end with a big group High Five and plans to meet at church the following morning. Any deviation from this is banished from the city approval.

    • Arthur McD November 4, 2014 at 9:14 pm

      Arthur McDaniel said some of the most vile and hateful things about outsiders. What’s that other word for donkey that’s synonymous with Dan McA?

  • Regular Joe November 4, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    Does a certain council representative have vested interest in one city ambulance service over another in St George? Is one service more closely monitored, checking to see if every t is crossed and every i is dotted. Is there fairness between those two ambulance services in the eyes of the council members and city?

  • Tar'Babe '59 CHS November 4, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    Well, it’s the “THEOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF St.Geo. UT” at work again. Is there any wonder why the youth alcohol & drug problem is so large in this area. “THE CHURCH”
    is really missing the point that their constant week day activities at the respective WARD HOUSES are going to keep the youth pure and clean. NOTICE: YOU ARE LOSING YOUR YOUTH THROUGH BORDEM in this little river city. Man, I almost never agree with “Mr. Ed”, but this time, geezer wisdom is RIGHT ON. Some will reply that this had nothing to do with THEOLOGY, but you know it ultimately comes down to just that. Afraid to lose control of the youth for fear they might learn there’s a world out there. If you’ve done a good job rearing them, no worries. If not, all the “churching” in the world won’t save them, they’ll learn “good” from “evil” on their own. …….larry

    • tight magic undies November 4, 2014 at 8:02 pm

      Well put. But they are a hard headed bunch. The one thing that they are great at is blocking the outside world from invading “their” world. When you sincerely believe you are the chosen ones, and everyone else is going to hell, I guess it’s easy to bend over and take it from the superiors.

  • Jason November 4, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    Maybe someone should organize a dance protest march where we all meet at town center for an “unauthorized” dance.

    • sagemoon November 5, 2014 at 9:01 am

      There is a protest planned for Friday from 4:00-6:00 p.m. at the Main Street Park downtown.

  • Allie November 4, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    It is better to have the kids dancing and having fun rather than looking for some mischief to get into. The city/police should have left well enough alone and directed their efforts towards matters of higher importance.

  • Kevin Bacon, yes, I am the real thing November 4, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    Yes, indeed, I have visited (and lived) in many a small town, when I say small, I’m referring to towns that is not classified a metropolitan area, and hs one, maybe two stoplights on its Main drag…I’m gonna get to the point here, Mr. Mayor Pike, it’s late 2014, buddy. You’re sporting a new university, are one of the fastest growing areas in the nation according to Wiki, and have a very attractive town and climate. Let your beautiful city dance and get out on the town! 🙂

    ED. NOTE: We are unable to verify this is the real Kevin Bacon.

  • M and M cookies November 4, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    I agree somewhat about the written article, there is so little for young people to do in this town, maor mcarthur stopped and I’d away with a y ideas young people wanted, an ice skating rink or roller skating place old be helpful. But I have been in town 20 years and have seen changes in our youth, sure sow kids are good, but realize every gang in LA is represented in this town, drugs can be gotten anywhere, yes even in the high schools and some neighborhoods…large crowds bring problems in any city… Rules are out in place to be followed for the safety and organization of our community.. For an event like this one anyone could drive up here from Vegas or from th north and bring problems.. I hope the situation will be resolved and something else can be planned for our youth soon..

  • ben v. November 4, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    Ed you got it right. We are not giving our youth place to have fun. I wonder if our city fathers were once young. All that will happen they will go to Mesquite and cause more problems. Let,s give the kids a chance and leave arrest happy cops
    on their normal duty.

  • Shelly November 4, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    It’s not going to happen anytime soon in St. George, Ed. Sort of like ‘If Momma ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy’.

  • dirt November 4, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    Are people driving their kids to Mesquite for entertainment failing to secure permits from the City of Mesquite, US Dept of the Interior Bureau of Land Management, and the AZ and NV Depts of Trans?????????????

  • Anubic November 4, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    Though I have family in St George, I read about this on Ninemsn, one of the main Australian news websites. I didn’t believe it at first and had to check.

  • DancingQueen November 4, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    What I find interesting is that there were adults at the Dance club…meaning people over 21…So the City of Saint George is going to RUIN someones record over a DANCE violation? And an email ONE DAY before is NOT sufficient time for a PROMOTION to get everything in order. It SEEMS to me that the City waited until the LAST possible moment to amend. I hope the promoter SUES the CITY, it is so dumb! Not only that but I wonder how much TARNISH the CITY put on Fiesta Family Fun Center? Way to Support your Businesses!!!

  • launa November 4, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    Can someone please find out who the officer is and what his “vested interest ” was in this dance? I also wonder if that was a true statement, shouldn’t the officer NOT have been involved?

  • Change the world.... November 5, 2014 at 12:55 am

    I’m always intrigued as I browse the comments on the various opinion columns…..one thing that always astounds me is how intelligent/rational some comments can sound (which gives me a renewed respect for humanity), but then in the very next sentence it is ruined by a blatant disrespect for things that some people consider sacred (in this case lds garments)…….why would you do that?? Can people no longer get their point across withous bashing something or someone? I also hope all of you highly intelligent individuals take these thoughts beyond this platform to a venue where changes can actually be made in our community.

  • JOSH DALTON (INCOGNEGRO) November 5, 2014 at 7:50 am

    I don’t have Facebook. Is there really going to be a protest today Nov.5 2014? I heard there was going to be a flash mob.

  • sagemoon November 5, 2014 at 9:00 am

    I haven’t heard about a flash mob, but there is a planned protest on Friday from 4:00-6:00 p.m. at the park on Main Street and Tabernacle. https://www.facebook.com/events/1553337978230138/?pnref=story

    • JOSH DALTON (INCOGNEGRO) November 5, 2014 at 10:55 am

      WORD!!

  • neighbor lady November 5, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    WOW! It is boring as hell for kids in this town unless you are sporty or artsy. I get the point from all sides. Let kids be kids, we were once.

    • Neighbor guy November 6, 2014 at 7:22 am

      You’ve been to hell?

      • Koolaid November 10, 2014 at 4:06 pm

        Yeah, it’s somewhere between 400 East & 200 East and 400 South & 500 South. Lots of bad juju, bad karma and bad mojo right in there.

  • Koolaid, November 6, 2014 at 8:52 am

    … I was getting so excited from the addicted to porn story that I read may face book wrong. I thought their was going to be a gathering at the part of postitutes not protesters. Oh well I guess I will just drive back home visit the family for what I thought was happening. WHATZ UP
    Ed. ellipsis.

  • Voice of Reason November 9, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Herd, you might want to check your *facts* before freaking out about marriage licenses. That has nothing to do with St. George City. Washington County is the one who issues marriage licenses.
    Oopsie……..

  • hummynbyrd November 21, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    Regardless of who made the “mistake”…..the kids went to the party,and paid, to go dance at the party…they were the ones that lost in this stupid tug of war. They should have let the dance go kn, then fined the promoter, if he truly did not have a proper permit. The police showing up and hanging around to make sure there was no dancing was heavy handed and ridiculous.

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