Bundy calls on sheriffs to disarm federal agencies; STGnews Videocast

Cliven Bundy at a press conference following the withdrawal of the BLM, Bunkerville, Nev., April 2014 | Photo by Mori Kessler, St. George News

BUNKERVILLE, Nev. – During a press conference held in the aftermath of Saturday’s standoff and the withdrawal of the Bureau of Land Management, Cliven Bundy thanked God and the prayers of supporters for the victory over the BLM. He also said county sheriffs throughout the United States should disarm the federal agencies within their counties.

“I’m going to give all the credit and my ability to my Heavenly Father and your prayers that have come to me and my family,” Cliven Bundy said. “I have, without a doubt, felt his presence in my decisions.”

Just over 20 years ago, Cliven Bundy drew the ire of the BLM for not paying grazing permits that had been modified to restrict how many cattle he could run on public lands. The modifications were made to benefit and protect desert tortoise habitat. The BLM has been trying to get Bundy’s cattle off of the public lands ever since. The agency’s latest attempt didn’t work out too well.

For his part, Cliven Bundy refuses to acknowledge any federal jurisdiction over public lands. He believes the land belongs to Nevada, and Nevada only. BLM need not apply. His view is that the public lands should be turned over to the states and that the federal government is overreaching. This view has resonated with state rights advocates and others.

As the BLM prepared to gather cattle – officially starting the roundup April 7 – the Bundys had already engaged in media warfare as they shared their cause over social media and with news outlets. Altercations between the BLM and Bundys and their supporters went viral online and resulted in a wave of Bundy supporters flooding into Bunkerville, Nev. Among these people were armed civilian militia who made it their job to provide security for the Bundy family. After a tense few days, the BLM withdrew from the area and released the cattle on April 12.

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Videocast by Mori “I am not cameraman” Kessler, St George News

During the press conference, Cliven Bundy’s words drew an “amen” from a woman in the crowd as he spoke. With the 67-year-old rancher on the stand were Stewart Rhodes, of Oath Keepers, Richard Mack, of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, and Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore who was accompanied by a delegation of other elected officials from Arizona and Washington state.

While speaking, Cliven Bundy recounted the events of last Saturday, and spoke of Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie. “He takes his mic and he tells us what he thinks we ought to do, or what he’s gonna do, and he’s been negating with the enemy,” he said. “He tells (us) what he’s gonna do, and we the people tell him what he’s gonna do.”

Cliven Bundy was referring to the demands he made of the sheriff, such as dismantling the National Park Service and disarming BLM rangers. Any collected firearms were to be taken to the Bundy Ranch.

He gave the sheriff an hour to comply and told the media to follow the sheriff and then report back. He said that if the sheriff didn’t deliver, the people were going to decide what to do next.

The nation and beyond witnessed the results of what happened next. Bundy supporters swarmed the area where the cattle were kept near Interstate 15 while cowboys on horseback approached. Militia men also arrived on the scene, though they positioned themselves away from the crowd pressing towards a fence that separated them from the cattle. They were repeatedly warned to leave by BLM rangers, or risk being fired upon.

Eventually Las Vegas Metro Police Deputy Chief Tom Roberts was able to broker a deal the Bundy’s accepted which allowed the cattle to be released, but not before the BLM was told to withdraw. The BLM was escorted out by the LVMPD. No shots were fired and no one was harmed.

Once he was there, I knew we had won the battle,” Ammon Bundy said as he recalled the event. The deputy chief did the job Sheriff Gillespie didn’t, he said.

“If the sheriff had done his job, you wouldn’t have had to face those guns,” Cliven Bundy said to his family and supporters, many of whom were involved in the standoff.

Gillespie’s work isn’t done, Cliven Bundy said. The sheriff still has to disarm the “federal bureaucracies” within the county. “That’s a mandate for the sheriff,” he said.

The rancher then called upon every sheriff across the nation to do the same. He said the sheriff is the highest law enforcement officer in the county under the Constitution. Even federal agencies have to recognize and respect a sheriff’s authority, he said.

Richard Mack, former sheriff of Graham County, Ariz, also addressed the crowd and said federal bureaucracies, like the BLM, do not supersede the Constitution.

“We the people, with our sheriffs, should take back America.” Mack said

He said every sheriff in the nation should stand up and tell the federal government that what happened in Clark County will not happen again. He also called upon BLM rangers and other federal agents to quit their jobs if they ever face the possibility of pointing a gun at a fellow American.

Mack said many sheriffs are members of Oath Keepers, a group that includes active peace officers, military, first responders, and veterans who have vowed to uphold their oaths to defend the Constitution.

They are the ultimate protectors of America – the sheriffs,” Mack said.

Michele Foire also shared a few words emphasizing the value of the 2nd Amendment and its relation to Saturday’s standoff.

“It is because of each and everyone of you standing here and each and everyone one of our Americans watching us and protecting us, with our firearms, why this did not turn into another Waco massacre or Ruby Ridge and I have to thank all of you for that,” she said.

Foire was referring to supporters of Bundy, which included Armed civilian militia men, some in groups, some independently, who began to converge on the Bundy Ranch after a recording of an altercation between the BLM and the Bundys last Wednesday went viral online. During the incident, Ammon Bundy was hit three times with a stun gun after kicking a police dog allegedly released on him by a BLM Ranger. During the same altercation, Margaret Houston, Cliven Bundy’s sister, was thrown to the ground by a ranger.

At the time, the Bundys were intentionally blocking a convoy of BLM vehicles, primarily a dump truck. Ammon Bundy said he caught a glimpse of debris in the back of the dump truck that resembled ranch infrastructure, namely water systems used for the cattle on the range.

He said at the press conference the BLM had taken out a watering station while the rest remained untouched.

Rhodes, the founder of Oath Keepers, said the Bundy’s cause, one laced with states’ rights issues, was much bigger than the matter of the BLM trying to remove a rancher’s cattle over unpaid grazing fees or the desert tortoise.

“It’s a western issue,” Rhodes said. “This is an attack on the entire West.”

Rhodes said that “the powers that be” want to destroy Western culture and economy and the independence they engender. “The powers that be fear independent Americans,” he said.

Rhodes praised the Bundy family for “cowboying up” and taking a stand that others in the region wouldn’t. Their victory, he said, is incredibly important and needs to be spread across the West.

“What has to happen now, is the rise of the West.”

In the aftermath of the standoff between Bundy supporters and the BLM, Ammon Bundy said family and others were taking care of young calves who were born during the BLM’s impound. They were also busy reunited some calves with their mothers. While going through the corrals the BLM had set up, he also said they found a number of animals dead, and an entire corral full of injured animals. Elsewhere, they found a dead bull that had been shot from above, giving the impression it had been shot from a helicopter, he said.

Though the BLM has withdrawn from Clark County for now, officials have stated the agency will pursue the fight with Cliven Bundy “administratively and judicially.”

Ammon Bundy said that if federal agents came back and tried to arrest the Bundys, he predicts the action will only stir more support for their cause.

“If they do (arrest someone), it’s just going to bring three-to-four times as many people as there were this time,” he said, adding supporters may even protest outside any jail a Bundy is taken to. However, they wouldn’t be protesting on behalf of the Bundys as much as they would the idea that their struggle represented.

“It’s not because of us,” he said. “This has become a symbol of freedom against an over-reaching federal government, and the people are done with it.”

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103 Comments

  • Alan in SF April 15, 2014 at 10:47 am

    I’m a little surprised, but not too surprised, that God is on the side of people who threaten to kill law enforcement officers who attempt to stop people from stealing a million dollars from American taxpayers.

    • Norm April 15, 2014 at 11:02 am

      A grotesque mischaracterization of the whole thing,

      Norm

    • tinman April 15, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      Shows that you paid little attention to the documented video footage and facts on the ground. The only threats to “kill” anybody were made by the armed BLM to unarmed Bundy protesters (armed militia did not approach or engage BLM, they were always on the perimeter), and a perceived death threat made to Utahn’s by Clark County Democratic Commissioner Tom Collins. These BLM goons spent $3 million to try and collect $300K in grazing fees (and of course the penalties had to be more than double that to equal $1 million). So you also can’t do math. Bundy owed $300K. They failed to prosecute this in a timely manner in 1993 – also a legal requirement that Bundy should have argued. But you want to cry about some cattle eating government grass while your pathetic feds spent $3 million of OUR tax dollars to mishandle something they should have continued in court. Wise up!

  • Landrik April 15, 2014 at 10:49 am

    This seems to readily ignore that this man broke the law and a contract he had with the United States to graze his cattle on public land. He has also ignored fines associated with avoiding those before. He’s a common criminal. Threatening violence is domestic terrorism. And the “heavenly father” he cites as backing him in this states in that book he has obviously not read, to follow the letter of the law he has broken repeatedly.

    • Landrik April 15, 2014 at 10:52 am

      Addendum: If the Sheriff should comply with his request, they and he are simply asking for a microcosm of civil war… another Waco to add to the brag-belt of anybody who thinks this type of rebellion is patriotic. It isn’t. It’s simply one guy refusing to pay for what he has used at the expense of the tax-payer.

      • tinman April 15, 2014 at 5:32 pm

        The County Sheriff is the highest law in the land of his County. Clark County Sheriff, Douglas Gillespie, not only did not return any calls or media requests for interviews (it is standard for a County Sheriff to at least issue a statement on a major event like this, which he did not), he was nowhere to be found until the eleventh hour. The only agitators looking to incite violence is your beloved President, Harry Reid and his BLM appointed lackey, Neil Kornze, who, in following the Cloward-Piven Socialist strategy for rebellion and overthrow, brought in armed goons to handle a matter that should have continued in the courts. So stick your self righteous pontifications up your …

        Ed. ellipsis

    • tinman April 15, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      And you seem to readily ignore the much greater crimes that are yet to be prosecuted against Harry and Rory Reid and the Clark County Commissioners for using the Desert Tortoise as a pretext to oust Bundy for an energy deal with a Chinese corporation, ENN Energy. Don’t even talk to me about the letter of the law when your beloved administration acts lawlessly in running illegal weapons to Mexican drug cartels, refusing to submit to Congressional orders, IRS crimes against 501 groups, FBI whistleblower crimes, Benghazi crimes.

  • Dave April 15, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Like this guy isn’t anything but a self-interested blow-hard. You really think some militia men could stop the federal government if they really wanted something? They clearly didn’t think this was worth killing people over so somehow that equates to a defeat?

    • Landrik April 15, 2014 at 10:59 am

      A great addition to my point. This guy is essentially becoming a domestic terrorist by calling for violence between himself and a government that is simply trying to collect a debt for use of public lands. I agree that this wasn’t a defeat of the government, but a reminder that the government is not readily willing to violently lash-out at people who balk at its duties. That he is continually asking for further support of his violent message is further indicative of his operating outside of legality.

      • Norm April 15, 2014 at 11:06 am

        You guys are truly myopic. Bundy’s family was grazing cattle on the same land for over 100 years, well before the BLM even existed. The fed came in and claimed ownership of the land and then started charging for the “privilege” of grazing cattle on their land. If there are criinals here, it’s an overreaching federal government.

        And sending in armed troops over a grazing dispute? That’s got to be the height of overreaction.

        Norm

        • RogerRoger April 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm

          Claiming the BLM has no authority to enforce laws that govern federal lands and were written by the legislature (which lands have been federal since before a single Bundy arrived near Bunkerville and even before Bunkerville was settled) seems quite myopic to me. The BLM is simply the name given to several older government entities when they merged in the 1940s; among these groups was the General Land Office which was formed in the 1840s. That is like saying the police have no authority to give me a speeding ticket, because my ancestors were in the area before the police and before speed limits. If you want to start taking about preemptive rights, well Cliven Bundy’s dad, David Ammon Bundy, was born in 1922 in Arizona, and his grandfather, Roy Bundy, was born in Nebraska in 1885. Good thing Mormons keep good genealogical records so we know that!

          If Bundy has a claim to this land show us the paperwork? There has got to be some somewhere, the state or county would have records like that. But there wouldn’t be any would there? Since that property has been federal since the Mexican-American War ended (before that it was Mexico’s land). The only property he owns is his ranch, which the government has left completely alone. It is his illegal grazing on federal lands that has gotten him into trouble. And if you want to talk about overreaction, what about the militia who shut down the freeway, forcing innocent people to be stopped next to hundreds of “patriots” with guns.

          • Chris April 15, 2014 at 5:45 pm

            excellent summary of some critical points that many are overlooking

          • Les April 15, 2014 at 6:49 pm

            Excellent comment! These guys that showed up calling themselves militia are more like armed thugs supporting a family of thieves and criminals. The land that they are using belongs to us tax payers, not the Bundy’s! Pay up or get the … off our land!
            Ed. ellipsis

          • kacee April 15, 2014 at 8:20 pm

            Very informative Rogerroger. Thank you. Like I keep saying he either owes grazing fees or property taxes since 1877.

        • crescent April 15, 2014 at 3:50 pm

          The Feds claimed the land in 1848, under the General Land Office, which was established in 1812. The BLM was created through the merger of the General Land Office with the Grazing Service. The Feds claimed the land decades before the Bundys came along.

        • tinman April 15, 2014 at 4:27 pm

          Exactly! The same hypocritical government that refuses to send armed troops to a border ruled by Mexican drug cartels. But we know the truth is they want to keep the border open to provide access for future Democratic voters. Most of the comments on here are just selective outrage from MSM groupthink liberals.

          • Simone April 15, 2014 at 11:59 pm

            Alright I’m just going to ask it. Why in the heck are you supporting him? He put hundreds of innocent people in danger when he ordered that I-15 be blocked. Cliven Bundy is nothing but a common criminal, his actions over the last few days prove that much. If you can’t see that then there is something wrong with you.

      • tinman April 15, 2014 at 3:27 pm

        You are a FOOL and a threat to even fall for the ploy of turning this into a case of domestic terrorism. You want to talk about domestic terrorism you JackA$$! Then start pulling your head out of the sand and stop covering for the domestic terrorism committed by your beloved administration, who is destroying sound money (an absolute form of financial terrorism), running illegal drugs to Mexican drug cartels that have directly resulted in the death of innocents; the Atty General refusing to comply with Congressional subpeonas and orders. What about destroying businesses and livelihoods through onerous and arbitrary EPA regulations; IRS targeting of those who disagree with your liberal hypocrisy, etc. etc. So watch yourself before you even go there about this being domestic terrorism.

    • pete April 15, 2014 at 1:25 pm

      My sentiments exactly.

  • Norm April 15, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Excellent!

  • kevmartin01 April 15, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Wow, so a rancher doesn’t like how laws are setup and just feels he can do whatever he wants. Yeah, that would be nice for everyone to be able to do. Lets just go back to the 18th century when the “West” can do whatever they want. This moron needs to pay his permit fees and follow the law. The laws were setup for a reason, he needs to respect that. Him and the rest of these law breakers should be in jail. Hopefully, they will be soon.

    • tinman April 15, 2014 at 3:31 pm

      Oh, you mean like the President who seeks to bypass Congress and operate outside of his lawful authority, attempting to legislate by executive fiat. You must also mean having a lawless Attorney General who refused to follow the rules and laws for Congressional inquiries and hearings. Before you talk about a matter that you obviously know nothing about, start taking the log of liberal hypocrisy out of your own eye. The real crime here is the theft and corruption committed by Harry “Bugsy” Reid and his spawn Rory. Dirty Harry has his fingerprints all over this along with his pawn former senior adviser who now heads the BLM.

    • tinman April 15, 2014 at 5:49 pm

      Kevin Martin, you small minded boy who is too lazy or stupid to see the big picture here. Too bad you did not get more toys at Christmas, but this isn’t about you or Cliven Bundy. This is about selective outrage, selective law enforcement (why there are not armed agents at our border addressing drug/gun running by the Mexican Cartels) and typical liberal hypocrisy. The real criminal here is our Socialist Agitator-In-Chief and Harry “Bugsy” Reid, the Mob Boss of Nevada, along with his puppets, Neil Kornze, former Reid senior adviser now head of the Blm, etc. ad nauseum.

  • Walter April 15, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Another scammer milking the government to line his own checkbook….he has been avoiding grazing fees for how long? I think his heavenly father is his banker smiling down on him. A corporate welfare thief wrapped in the American flag and his own ego.

  • DLR April 15, 2014 at 11:23 am

    Over time there has been a gradual decrease in the amount of grazing that takes place on BLM-managed land, and that trend continues today. Grazing use on public lands has declined from 18.2 million AUMs in 1954 to 7.9 million AUMs in 2013.
    Can any of you smart dudes in this comment section tell my why this is a fact? Can you tell the name of any other cattle ranch in Nevada who paid the blm grazing fees (or is there only one cattle ranch left? is there one left because of supply and demand or blm interference?)? Can you tell me why Clive Bundy owes 1.1 million dollars?
    I’m no mathematician but if an animal unit month (AUM) is $1.35, lets say he has to pay for even the feral cattle to graze on the land even though he doesn’t own them and that number was estimated to be 900. so $1.35 a month makes it $16.20 per cattle per year times 900 (even though he doesn’t have 900 cattle) is $14,580. So at $14,580 for 900 adult cows since 1990 is 24 years and that bring the total owed to $349,920 excluding interest of course and typical small government fees that end up tripling the amount owed somehow. I wouldnt pay that bill either. Nor the 2 or 3 million dollar bill they will add to his debt now that they wasted that money trying to illegally steal his cattle.
    I hope you guys here keep this same viewpoint when your kids and grandkids owe $200,000 in student loans and the government sends them to debtors prisons. I hope you dont cry foul and ask why they dont put a lien on valuables like they are supposed instead of stealing everything worth value and selling it.

    • Chris April 15, 2014 at 5:51 pm

      you are amazingly uninformed. There are hundreds of ranchers remaining in the state of Nevada, very nearly all of whom pay their grazing fees to the BLM. You may be confused with the fact that only three remain in Clark County who graze on public lands. Also, debtor prisons do not exist in this country and never have.

  • The Man April 15, 2014 at 11:42 am

    I’m just happy it ended the way it did–I am just going to assume that I no longer need to pay MY grazing/water rights to the BLM. Thanks Bundy Militia! I have decided to also stop paying my taxes as I feel the government is taxing me too heavily. I can barely afford to pay my property taxes on my homes, as well as my income taxes. Oh, and when the government comes after me to take my home and sell it at a sheriff’s tax sale, everyone in the Bundy militia, and the Bundy supporters are going to come stand with guns against the government for me, right?…
    Do these mentally challenged individuals really think this is over? Do they think the government will LET this happen; what is stopping anyone that feels they have a beef with the government from pulling the same thing? I can’t wait to see what comes next! Clive Bundy is nothing more than a common criminal and should either have his property seized and sold at government auction, or THROWN IN JAIL!!!

  • melissa April 15, 2014 at 11:56 am

    I believe Warren Jeffs also felt his “heavenly fathers presence” in his decisions too. Look what he did and where he is. Criminals supported by ignorance.

  • fk April 15, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    You have got to be kidding me!!! This man is the biggest joke ever! I cannot believe he keeps being handed the microphone. This is ridiculous. He needs to go back into the hills he crawled out of. Pay your fines and follow the rules like your neighbors or move out of the country you are living off of!

  • Deb April 15, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Oh yes please let us disarm the law enforcement. That way the same “militia” that closed down the freeway—while attempting to start a war in the mist of innocent people driving between Vegas and St. George—can take their place. With the Bundy family’s understand of public land, they may just use that militia to take over Hoover Dam and Lake Mead and start using the water just for themselves (all because some of their ancestors were there before the dam).

    Let us not forget the BLM chose to deescalate the situation, but it was the protesters and militia who then drove to where the impounded cattle were being kept. There they threatened the BLM by putting the officers in their gun sights, all while putting many innocent people in danger. They also threatened numerous people and businesses in the Mesquite area who were in any way helping the BLM. All this to take cattle which had been legally impounded from someone who was breaking the law.

    I also makes me angry that they are using their religion to try and gain support from other Mormons. A recent photo used by some of the family shows them all standing out in front of the St. George LDS Temple.

  • My Evil Twin April 15, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    So is this old guy senile, or has he always been a nut case? I’m not a big fan of big government, particularly the Department of Inferior, but just because this cowboy won this particular round with the Bureau of Lame Minds, does not mean a whole lot. Other than giving him an inflated opinion of himself.

    • My Evil Twin April 15, 2014 at 12:26 pm

      I also wonder just how much this whole fiasco has cost the taxpayers. Seems to me like the guberment should have done this through the courts. As in Bundy being ordered by the courts to pay his fees, or move his cattle. Then if he did not comply, throw his ample behind in jail.
      This is clearly a case where there really are no winners.

      • RogerRoger April 15, 2014 at 2:59 pm

        The BLM tried those. Mr. Bundy had a few separate court orders in which he was required to remove the cattle and pay the fees; he has not complied. Since this is about cattle and their destruction of the lands, the BLM chose to just remove the cattle themselves rather than go after Bundy (Bundy was not the problem, just his cattle). Since that did not work, this leaves the government with two choices: an attempt to round up the animals again, which I see as very unlikely, or to probably go after Bundy himself.

        • Chris April 15, 2014 at 5:55 pm

          You hit on it. They undoubtedly will now go after Bundy personally, most likely financially. I’m going to make a wild guess that Cliven has not been keeping up with his income taxes. I smell an audit coming on.

          • COMBAT VET AND CONSERVATIVE April 16, 2014 at 12:43 pm

            Oh Chrissy, Chrissy…..you finally admit to spewing your “wild guess” BS. Apparently all your comments are based on “wild guess'”….which is SOP for liberal demRATS. If you have no facts….spout “wild guess”. If you spout them enough, even you start to believe the BS. What you really smell is your own BS. A better screen name for you would be BS CHRISSY.

      • tinman April 15, 2014 at 3:38 pm

        Bundy’s grazing fees were $300,000. But the arbitrary fines/penalties were $700,000. The cost of the failed operation was over $3 million. Another fine example of our efficient government at work. And all the brain dead libtards on here are just parroting the MSM talking points about fees. The real story behind all of this is Harry “Bugsy” Reid and his spawn Rory.

        • crescent April 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm

          The stories about the chinese solar plant are untrue. The proposed plant was some distance away and the proposal was cancelled a year ago.

          http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp

          • tinman April 15, 2014 at 7:56 pm

            Yes, the project in Laughlin was canned. That does not excuse the corruption and kickbacks that led up to it. And you and your bogus Snopes cannot cover for the cached website that was purged by the BLM which admits quite specifically that the mission against Bundy is all about using the Gold Butte allotment for a “mitigation area” for a solar energy project. Whether it is the Chinese company Rory Reid lobby’s for or not is irrelevant.

          • kacee April 15, 2014 at 8:31 pm

            Awesome Crescent, Much like FAUX news just say it 5 times and it’s true. These guys believe themselves after they say it a few times.

        • kacee April 15, 2014 at 5:50 pm

          Tinman, Congratulations on your Ignoramus of the year award . One must be proud to write online comments about fictional documents that were purged. Show me the documents other than some typical right wing nut website( Remember the commercial? It’s on the internet so it has to be true) stating there are documents. Obviously in this day and age you can’t erase all evidence. The bottom line is this idiot is breaking the law. Either he owes grazing fees or if his statement is correct he owes property tax from the year 1887. Which is it rocket scientist.

          • tinman April 15, 2014 at 10:06 pm

            Kacee, you’re a typical hit-and-run libtard bombthrower. Where do you get your brilliant arguments from? I mean all of the facts you cited to back up your name calling.

        • Simone April 15, 2014 at 11:36 pm

          And all of the brain dead … in here are just parroting Fox News talking points about how bad Obama is. The real story behind all of this is Cliven Bundy and his crimes against America.
          Ed. ellipsis.

      • crescent April 15, 2014 at 3:38 pm

        He has had three court orders – this was an attempt to enforce the third court order.

        Bundy does not agree with Article III of the U.S. Constitution (the one that gives courts jurisdiction over Constitutional questions); he thinks he has the right to ignore court orders he does not like.

        • Brian April 15, 2014 at 4:37 pm

          So if the court orders you to turn your children over to the state (which just happened to the Pelletiers in CT), you’d just drive them down and hand them over? Is there nothing you’d stand up for? Is the court ever wrong?

          • Crescent April 15, 2014 at 7:00 pm

            That happens all the time in custody disputes. If a court is wrong, you appeal. If a law is wrong, vote to change it. If it is found unconstitutional, vote to amend the constitution. Most people support most laws, we the people do not want your tiny, well armed minority messing up the nation we built.

        • tom April 22, 2014 at 7:37 pm

          actually, the 3rd amendment is suppose to stop soilder’s from occupying peoples homes during peace time….

  • pete April 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    I wonder if Bundy will feel God’s presence in his life when he’s paying all those back fees – maybe while he’s in federal prison?

  • Delong April 15, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    Bah ha ha, Bundy just keeps cutting his own throat politically every time he speaks. I hope all you Bundy supporters are enjoying this lunacy. I knew there was a reason Clark County was not supporting these all mighty freedom fighters. Hilarious!

  • Delong April 15, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Wow- someone please stop interviewing this clown. No keep going, it’s getting really entertaining. Now I know the guy is nuts!

  • tinman April 15, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    How pathetic to read all of the MSM parrot comments from the small minds who are too lazy to think for themselves and do their own research about what is really behind this. The BLM or any other litigant in any court has an obligation to prosecute their case in a timely manner. They did not. For that, I would have filed a motion to dismiss for failure to prosecute. The BLM also had obligations to assist Bundy with maintenance of this allotment, but did not. Therefore, Bundy very well may have a breach of contract claim against the BLM if he appeals the federal court ruling. But these are the small minded issues the MSM wants everybody to focus on–and sadly, that is precisely what the bulk of comments on here have indeed focused on. The real story is Harry Reid, the Mob Boss of Nevada, and his crony son Rory. Rory was a former Clark County Commissioner and got Clark County to sell a piece of land in Laughlin apparaised at $38 million for only $4 million. The property was to be used for a solar energy project by a CHINESE company Rory lobby’s for, ENN Energy. This is the same energy company Harry Reid has been trying to muscle into Nevada as an energy provider (huge conflict of interest). If that happened in Washington County, I would demand why our commissioners left $34 million on the table and why they were allowing a foreign corporation-instead of an American corp– to create a business on our soil. I would say an investigation into huge kickbacks is in order. What does that have to do with Bundy? The BLM (now headed by Harry Reids former senior adviser) recently purged a document from its website (huge red flag) that admits Bundy and his cattle are a nuisance standing in the way of using his Gold Butte allotment as a “mitigation area” for a solar energy project. No mention in this document of the poor desert tortoise, the whole pretext of this. So, if you want to talk about lawlessness and disobeying the rule of law, deal with the greater crimes being committed to the tune of billions, not the paltry $300K in grazing fees (the $700k in fines/penalties is B.S. and should be assessed at about 2% interest per annum). One fool on here actually parroted a DHS agenda to try and label Bundy a domestic terrorist. What a foolish, incendiary thing to say, and a very dangerous comment to make. Such comments and division will incite another civil war. The real terrorists are the political mobsters who run the state of Nevada for their own profit and are no different than the corrupt RINO’s in other states (e.g, John McCain inappropriately using eminent domain to try and muscle out property owners to make way for the Canamex highway system through Arizona). There are much bigger fish to fry than Ciiven Bundy. No one on this thread seems to have any respect for his family’s pioneering heritage ranching that land since 1877, which is a valid basis for claiming pre-emptive rights. But it is the hypocrisy of excoriating him while giving a pass to the absolutely unlawful administration presently in office that is really disturbing. There has been a relentless agenda to use class warfare, race baiting, and other divisive tactics by an Administration that openly admits to hatred for America as a Constitutional Republic (we are not a Democracy) and everything it stands for. That is the more disturbing lawlessness that needs to be prosecuted.

  • tinman April 15, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    For all the small minds on here who think this is a dispute over grazing fees and turtles: http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told

  • Mark April 15, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    I wonder if all those redneck militiamen will be there when the feds show up at 4 in the morning one day when all this dies out, bunch of inbreds, oh wait today is April 15th, I don’t recognize the Fed’s so I don’t have to pay my taxes, thanks Cliven !

    • tinman April 15, 2014 at 8:04 pm

      Mark, you poor libtard refugee from the Peoples Republic of California. Just because you couldn’t come here and turn Southern Utah into another failed liberal cesspool, you have to start calling people “inbreds.” Since liberalism is a form of mental disease, I wonder what gene pool you came from.

      • COMBAT VET AND CONSERVATIVE April 16, 2014 at 12:51 pm

        MARK is what is known as an “outbred”. It really boggles the mind how he made it thru the cracks. Most like him, “outbreds” were….outbred eons ago. Please excuse him. He has been trying to navigate his way into society all his miserable life….with very little success. Don’t give up Mark…keep trying.

  • Mesquite-Oh April 15, 2014 at 5:40 pm

    Time for Bundy to start paying his bills and to shut the F up!

    • tinman April 15, 2014 at 8:58 pm

      Brilliant response! You are quite the wordsmith.

  • kacee April 15, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    I am happy to see so many comments from common sense individuals who realize this character is a common criminal.

  • Chris April 15, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    Bundy is fighting the law, and the law will win, one way or another.

    • Brian April 15, 2014 at 7:40 pm

      That’s what the British said…

  • tinman April 15, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    Apparently, all the liberal bombthrowers have left the building. They are not ones to stick around for an honest debate.

  • Mike R. April 15, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    End the BLM.

  • Mike R. April 15, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    What did the BLM think anyway? They were trying to find a buyer in Utah, but no cattleman with any self respect would touch it. I doubt even if the cowboy let them load the cattle on to trucks that Utah would not have let them past the point of entry. They herded up hundreds of cattle they could not sell or even keep alive. Stupid.

  • barefoot bob April 15, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    I cant believe some of you. first off the blm violated several procedures they just took off with a court order and went nuts. Do you even realize its not there job to serve the court order. they followed no judicial procedures. unused united states land are held similar to private property and as such fall under the jurisdiction of state and county laws for trespass and evictions. county sheriff was never notified. I doubt they filed with the court clerk so it could be sent to marshals or county sheriff for execution of the court order.
    There is also a heading in our constitution prohibiting the government from owning lands other that 10 mile by 10 mile plots for military warehousing and such.
    There is much more to this, but instead of trying to learn anything. you choose to listen to those moronic federally controlled media outlets. and then open your uneducated mouths. It is Juvenile to even entertain the thought that our government is righteous and abides by the law. or that they were by any stretch of the imagination executing there duties in a lawful manner. did any of you ever stop and ask yourself why the state of Nevada hasn’t sided with the BLM?

    Maybe you should get educated on the matter before screaming ridiculous notions. Are you scared that if it turned into a civil uprising your democratic party will lose its socialist grip? is that why your not on websites denouncing Obama? A traitor to the United States and a murderer.? Wake UP.

  • Ron April 15, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    If the federal government were truly as autocratic and dictatorial as these guys claim, the military would have moved in, and there would be militia bodies rotting all over the desert right now. You don’t really think those BLM guys left because they were afraid of a few shotgun-toting blowhards, do you?

    • Mike R. April 16, 2014 at 7:17 pm

      Yes they were afraid (read the official statement.) But that is not why they high tailed it out of there. They where in the middle of of poorly thought out operation that they could not possibly finish. They had to end it and blame the people there that were helping keep the peace.

  • Les April 15, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    Since I have no children in school and our school taxes are part of a socialist system, I will take it upon myself to not pay any school taxes because I don’t,believe Utah has the right to my money, because I refuse to recognize their authority. In fact non of us should pay any taxes or fees we don’t like! America would be such a wonderful place to live if we could only pay the taxes we believe in!

    • Peg April 16, 2014 at 9:34 am

      Get back to us next year about that tax thing. More new taxes next year . You and many other may change you minds re rebelling on that one. At least you may start to mumble loudly. Get your point but like the Bundy /land issue I find myself wondering how long and how much we all will be willing to give up in order for more to be on entitlements? I mean healthy folks who cannot find a job or do not want to work. Who it appears, at least in the grocery stores can still afford the steak that the Bundy’s are helping to provide for them.

  • Flabap April 15, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    Most of you people disgust me. I can’t believe anyone thinks this idiot is anything beside an idiot. You people make me ashamed to call myself a conservative.

    • COMBAT VET AND CONSERVATIVE April 16, 2014 at 12:53 pm

      So, then be ashamed. And while you are at it, change yhour party affiliation to Progressive Communist.

    • tinman April 16, 2014 at 4:29 pm

      If you think voting R along with your RINO groupthink ideologues makes you a conservative, you are a self-deceived MORON! The very definition of CONSERVE is to reduce the size of, shrink, minimize. That applies to the size of Government, spending, programs, agencies, etc., etc. But your claims to being Right vs. Left is just a claim to the other wing of the same bird of prey.

  • tinman April 15, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    Looks like it’s actually the BLM who are harming the poor desert tortoise. According to the study below, they thrive on cow dung. But dishonest liberal bombthrowers are selective in the facts they disseminate and run from this:
    https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/rangelands/article/viewFile/10776/10049

  • tinman April 15, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    “The science of range ecology predicts that excluding cattle will reduce the tortoise population and they will become rare.”
    https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/rangelands/article/viewFile/10776/10049
    journals.uair.arizona.edu

  • Edward D. April 16, 2014 at 12:12 am

    Perhaps Cliven would be better served if he followed his Articles of Faith
    of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints #12 ” We believe in being a subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

    • tinman April 16, 2014 at 8:31 am

      Perhaps you, Edward D., and all the rest of the Jack Mormons in So. Utah should be more consistent with what you claim to believe. Before trying to pluck the speck out of Bundy’s eye, how about removing the log from your own eye, Hypocrite! And learn the Law that you are “subject” to. The President is not a King, even though he is trying to rule like a king via executive fiat. According to the Law of the Land, the Constitution, We, the People, are the Rulers, and the President and every elected official who swears an Oath of Office, is subject to US and works for US. So, if your faith says you have to be a “subject” to a President, it is in violation of the Law of the Land, the Constitution, that you livie under.

  • Melissa April 16, 2014 at 6:01 am

    Bundy supporters! Don’t drink the punch. Wait…yes drink the punch!

  • Peg April 16, 2014 at 8:24 am

    On 12/55 Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus and the attention of all decent Americans focused on getting rid of Jim Crow laws. The Jim Crow laws enacted out of ignorance by people who evidently felt they would be for the betterment of the country or the need to rule over and feel powerful over something or someone. There were two or more sides to that story also. None were correct . So the American people took to the streets. I tell you this story because even though I was very young ,I remember this and even as a child I knew no one deserved to be treated like this and I must have driven my parents crazy asking why . With age I realize some people just are like that and sometimes we need to correct ignorant thinking. that is what makes America great, we can.

    4/14 Clive Bundy ,the last rancher standing in Clark county ,who had protested for years by withholding fees to the government. He ignored the law and the judges. Not something I usually agree with ,thus my stand on illegal immigration, a topic for another day. However many things have come out of the darkness into the light on this one and I will not recap them all because if you read this and other articles you know that there are many questions to be answered re why all of the other ranchers in the area are gone, what are the Reid’s ,Gillespie and Kornze involvement with this land, etc. and the China connection. Who the h*** wants the Chinese into any parts of our infrastructure? That is like the KKK involvement with Rosa parks as far as I am concerned. Then of course the ever present question
    why at this period of time are the Feds are controlling so much land in the west ,other than the National Parks which most of us are ok with. I am going to assume you all know land has been given back to some states. Why not the west?
    I have no relationship with nor do I know the Bundy’s but I do have some knowledge of our federal government and the history of this country and we have always had to stand up and ask questions when something like this happens. Something is very smelly with this one and we better not be scared away by Harry Reid’s comment or threat to the Bundy’s that it is not over or the elected official from Nevada who “warned” Utahns that if we come down there and get involved we had better make our funeral arrangements. As on old Vietnam war protestor and MLK marcher that just made me load up with water and fruit and take it down to the protestors.

  • Peg April 16, 2014 at 8:27 am

    On 12/55 Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus and the attention of all decent Americans focused on getting rid of Jim Crow laws. The Jim Crow laws enacted out of ignorance by people who evidently felt they would be for the betterment of the country or the need to rule over and feel powerful over something or someone. There were two or more sides to that story also. None were correct . So the American people took to the streets. I tell you this story because even though I was very young ,I remember this and even as a child I knew no one deserved to be treated like this and I must have driven my parents crazy asking why . With age I realize some people just are like that and sometimes we need to correct ignorant thinking, that is what makes America great, we can.

    4/14 Clive Bundy ,the last rancher standing in Clark county ,who had protested for years by withholding fees to the government. He ignored the law and the judges. Not something I usually agree with ,thus my stand on illegal immigration, a topic for another day. However many things have come out of the darkness into the light on this one and I will not recap them all because if you read this and other articles you know that there are many questions to be answered re why all of the other ranchers in the area are gone, what are the Reid’s ,Gillespie and Kornze involvement with this land, etc, and the China connection. Who the h*** wants the Chinese into any parts of our infrastructure? That is like the KKK involvement with Rosa parks as far as I am concerned. Then of course the ever present question
    why at this period of time are the Feds are controlling so much land in the west ,other than the National Parks which most of us are ok with. I am going to assume you all know land has been given back to some states. Why not the west?
    I have no relationship with nor do I know the Bundy’s but I do have some knowledge of our federal government and the history of this country and we have always had to stand up and ask questions when something like this happens. Something is very smelly with this one and we better not be scared away by Harry Reid’s comment or threat to the Bundy’s that it is not over or the elected official from Nevada who “warned” Utahns that if we come down there and get involved we had better make our funeral arrangements. As on old Vietnam war protestor and MLK marcher that just made me load up with water and fruit and take it down to the protestors.

    • tinman April 16, 2014 at 10:15 am

      Excellent illustration that highlights the selective outrage and amnesia of history that goes with being a liberal ideologue.

  • tinman April 16, 2014 at 8:47 am

    It’s amazing to read all of the hypocritical liberal comments about Bundy not paying his grazing fees; yet these same bleeding heart fools will exempt ILLEGAL immigrants who dodge paying taxes and sponge public resources like parasites. But that’s just liberal logic 101.

  • COMBAT VET AND CONSERVATIVE April 16, 2014 at 10:31 am

    That $3 million that was wasted by the BLM for this illegal thievery of cattle, would have gone a long way towards stationing those agents at the border in Arizona to stop the illegal smuggling of humans and drugs. But wait…..if we put armed federal agents on the border to stop illegal immigration, where would all the liberal democRATS get their new voters from??? The feds worry about grazing fees while handing out billions in benefits to illegals.

  • Peg April 16, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Just heard that at least two head of Bundy cattle were shot ,one at least 5 times by the Utah cowboys that were hired to roundup these cattle. The cowboys that were paid $965 thousand(that is almost 1/3 of what the Bundy’s actually owe the Feds without penalty’s) to round them up and sell them ,UNTIL the Gov of Utah said NO,NO,NO, not through Utah will you bring those cattle. Wonder if those “cowboys” will have to return those tax dollars? Can’t wait to see what the total cost to the government is for this, ooops ,I mean taxpayers, will be.Also just announced that the BLM officers exceeded the authority they were given by the courts,( they ignored court order, like the Bundy’s) by destroying water tanks, fences etc, in order to prevent further grazing on land. My oh my, sounding like history is indeed repeating itself. The government has exceeded it’s authority yet again. I question, is it legal for Harry Reid and son to be involved making deals re federal land ,our land ,with the Chinese ? Your honor I object! Given a choice I would choose Bundy cows over Harry Reid and the Chinese. The Bundy cows provide steak, Harry and the Chinese will take a lot more than the Bundy’s ever have or will in their lifetime, even several generations of Bundy’s.

  • Festus April 16, 2014 at 10:39 am

    I’m tired of hearing about this turd… Can we move onto the next persons 15 minutes of lame fame

    • tinman April 16, 2014 at 4:10 pm

      CRANKY the only thing offered by you or your liberal ilk has been OPINION! Not one single reference to a properly cited law, statute, case law, anything that would provide the slightest basis for a valid legal argument. Go ahead and cite it. I am waiting, but not holding my breath.

    • tinman April 16, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      FESTUS, why are you even on here? Your short attention span doesn’t lend itself to intelligent conversation. Go watch something that is suited to your 8th grade education.

      • Festus April 16, 2014 at 11:43 pm

        Hey Tinman I passed 9th grade for your information.. Maybe some day I can be as smart as you and leave long ranting comments on message boards about how intelligent I am… TURD…

  • cranky April 16, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Tinman , wow what a defense against your enemies. I notice after reading all the comments above , that when ever anyone clarify s a legal point about Bundy’s legal situation your retort immediately blames someone else like the Reid or Obama?
    question: if you don’t recognize the federal government or its land policy , what
    country do you belong to? Do you recognize any federal law? Or is it all the fault of MSN liberals?

    • tinman April 16, 2014 at 4:11 pm

      CRANKY the only thing offered by you or your liberal ilk has been OPINION! Not one single reference to a properly cited law, statute, case law, anything that would provide the slightest basis for a valid legal argument. Go ahead and cite it. I am waiting, but not holding my breath.

      • cranky April 16, 2014 at 11:13 pm

        Tinman, yep, another deflection. You don’t like questions concerning the law you don’t recognize? You must be a Nevadan? What country do you live in? Yeah we all have opinion’s, that’s what were writing about here. Many of us are asking why you feel you can break the law? Your in trouble now Tinman Bunkerville, I kinda feel for you, there coming though… keep your head down , good luck.

  • RogerRoger April 16, 2014 at 11:24 am

    Those of you still feel that the conspiracy theories are true, I suggest this article:

    • COMBAT VET AND CONSERVATIVE April 16, 2014 at 12:55 pm

      Nice article. Made perfect sense to me…..nothing.

    • tinman April 16, 2014 at 4:15 pm

      Wow! For a minute there, I actually thought a libtard had something to read as a counterpoint. This is quite boring to hear the liberal sheep blat: Grazing Fees! Grazing Fees!

      • tinman April 16, 2014 at 10:40 pm

        Oh, well if it’s Snopes, it must be so…. what a liberal rag Snopes is!

  • JSD April 17, 2014 at 7:07 am

    Oh…as if bizpacreview and scgnews are unbiased news sites. Point being you can find anything in the internet to back up your point of view. That doesn’t make it true. And the one legitimate link you posted, arizona.edu, does nothing to help your argument that the land grab is really over the solar energy deal.

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