Health department holds flu shot clinics across southwest Utah; free with some insurance

ST. GEORGE – The Southwest Utah Public Health Department will be holding its annual Flu Shoot-Out for the Washington County area on Tuesday at the Red Cliffs Mall. Adults can get vaccinated without leaving their vehicles at the drive-thru service in the morning, and anyone can go inside the mall for their flu shot in the afternoon.

The drive-thru will serve adults age 18 and over from 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. Patients of all ages can use the walk-in service from 1-7 p.m.

Flu shots cost $18 ($25 for the nasal spray version) or are free if you are insured by Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, PEHP, SelectHealth, Altius, DMBA, United Health or Tall Tree. Please bring your insurance card.

You can save time by downloading and printing the flu shot consent form here. Fill it out and bring it to the Shoot-Out. Also, please wear a short-sleeved shirt.

Additional Flu Shoot-Outs will be held throughout September in Beaver, Panguitch, Cedar City and numerous locations in Kane County. Flu shots are also available at any health department clinic in southwest Utah. A complete schedule can be found here.

Co-sponsors of the Washington County Shoot-Out include Dixie Regional Medical Center, the Red Cliffs Mall, the Dixie State University Nursing Program, the City of St. George, Volunteers in Police Service and the Medical Reserve Corps.

Event details and contact information

Time: 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. (drive-thru for adults), 1-7 p.m. (walk-in for all ages), Tuesday, Sept. 17

Location: Red Cliffs Mall, 1770 Red Cliffs Drive, St. George

Admission: $18 for shots, $25 for nasal spray; free with some insurance providers

Contact: Southwest Utah Public Health Department – 435-673-3528

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Ed. note: There are differing views on the advisability of flu shots; it is not the purpose of this article to explore those. Please consult your primary care physician before receiving a flu shot and understand the risks.

Submitted by: Southwest Utah Public Health Department

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  • truthseeker September 15, 2013 at 1:19 am

    sease Flu Shoot Out? -Are they trying to make it sound cool to get injected with slow kill poison now?… Drive through flu shots?- what’s the world coming to?…. There’s no evidence that vaccines are effective whatsoever. Evidence to the contrary actually. Did you ever find it peculiar that they say get a flu shot before the flu season and then there’s people getting the flu? Haha the flu season is created by the fly shot. ;)… Also, any other vaccine hasn’t cured, treated, or prevented any disease. In fact, vaccines have caused many horrible other problems in people for a long time all over theworld… I hope people aren’t going to think it’s required when your govt mandates it in the future Oh and your kids aren’t required to get a shot to goto school. Do some research and think critically.

  • truthseeker September 15, 2013 at 1:41 am

    se Flu Shoot Out? -Are they trying to make it sound cool to get injected with slow kill poison now?… Drive through flu shots?- what’s the world coming to?…. There’s no evidence that vaccines are effective whatsoever. Evidence to the contrary actually. Did you ever find it peculiar that they say get a flu shot before the flu season and then there’s people getting the flu? Haha the flu season is created by the fly shot. … Also, any other vaccine hasn’t cured, treated, or prevented any disease. In fact, vaccines have caused many horrible other problems in people for a long time all over theworld… I hope people aren’t going to think it’s required when your govt mandates it in the future Oh and your kids aren’t required to get a shot to goto school. Do some research and think critically

    • R C T September 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm

      Hey Moron, we saw it the first time you posted it. It was dumb then, and then you just reaffirmed your stupidity by posting it again. Go crawl back under your rock.

  • philiplo September 15, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Sure, seeker. And the moon landing was faked! And the president was born in Kenya as part of a 50 year plot to destroy the United States. And aliens are forever giving people anal probes (they have a fetish).

  • Craig September 15, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    @ seeker: Didn’t the Polio Vaccines work?

  • CrazyRightWingNut September 15, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Philiplo, I agree the moon landing was fake, that’s why we have not been “back” since 1972, and we all know that Obama is a “Manchurian Candidate” born of communist blood in Kenya, sent to destroy the United States, but what evidence do you have regarding the anal probing by Aliens?

  • truthseeker September 15, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    So Philipo, instead of having an intellectual discussion you just make some disingenuous remarks that are unrelated to the topic at hand? You could ask for explanation if yoy are confused on somethng I said rather than denounce it as a crazy theory. Did you not knw that you don’t have to vaccinate your children before they goto school? And if you want the links of vaccines and diseases, disorders, cancers then there’s plenty of info on it. The CDCS own website will tell you the horrible side effects. Learn about vaccine courts. Learn about the history of medicine and think of why we see so many health problems skyrocketing. Look at the ingredients in each vaccine. It’s poison. Next time you waste space on this message board, try having a discussion. 😉 … I pity the lost zombies that think it’s wierd or uncool to be informed. Some people stay stuck in the mainstream way of thinking tbough.

  • philiplo September 16, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Crazyrightwingnut, just take a look at this company ( You can see that our own government has sold us out to aliens, and have been mutilating Americans since 1947.

  • Jason September 16, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Truth seeker is right. Vaccines are just another ploy to make millions. If you do the research (info on CDC website) polio was almost non existent before the vaccine ever made its way to the public. Also if you look at the reports for children who are getting whooping cough and other illnesses the majority of them have been vaccinated.

    Even without research so many people have stopped getting the flu vaccine because when they have they have always gotten the flu right after.

    Like all vaccines they shoot you up with toxins that lower your immune system.

    Remember vaccines only last for about 5 years so most of us are running around “unvaccinated” anyhow. Do your research before you call names. The info is on the CDC website it is up to you to determine if it is worth it after you see all the published results. No note then ever there is a large portion of the population who are choosing not to vaccinate. These are the same people who like to eat healthy and realize that processed foods are not healthy and that much of what we are fed here in America is toxic as well all in the name of profit. These also happen to me educated people who know how to do their own research and not rely on research that is funded by the companies selling the stuff.

    • Karen September 18, 2013 at 6:42 am

      Jason, where did you get your information calling polio “almost non-existent before the vaccine ever made its way to the public”? That is utter nonsense. The first polio vaccine was developed in the 1950’s and there were epidemics long before that. Quoting from the CDC website, “Polio is a crippling and potentially fatal infectious disease. There is no cure, but there are safe and effective vaccines.” You are obviously too young to remember when there was no vaccine for polio and people were terrified of getting the disease. We had a neighbor who was in an iron lung in his living room and it was scary to see. We heard about polio all the time. They would close public swimming pools in the summer to prevent the spread when there outbreaks. I remember when the vaccine came out that could be given in sugar cubes. We drove to designated health department stations (ours was at a local drive-in movie theater) and were grateful that there was finally a vaccine. After that, polio essentially dropped off the headlines and I never knew anyone else that ever got polio. Do some research before you make wild statements that are not backed up by facts.

  • truthseeker September 16, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Jason to the rescue, yes, Finally someone else that isn’t a zombie ans understands the issue. If anyone interested in engaging in an a real discussion then I’m sure we can explain quite a bit, that is if Phiilipo and company are even being genuine with their remarks. Disinfo agents roam message boards and spew stuff like crazy to misdirected the public… And Jason, about the vaccines and five years, did ya catch the CDC release when they said the flu vaccines wear off eadh year when obviously the antibodies are still in the blood for the lifetime. They say there vaccines are so effectiveive, yet people need a new flu vac each year. Ha. They are criminals and no one holds em accountable..FDA and big Pharma are in bed together. I’m glad there’s an informed and awake truth teller here though. We should spread the truth about the rest…. P.S. I have links if people want to see em. And on the specific polio Issue CDC admits it.

  • Jason September 17, 2013 at 9:37 am

    The reason they “need” a new flu vaccine every year is due to the fact there are different strains of the flu. The problem is however that by the time they find a new strain get it developed and available it is too late as that at strain has already being replaced by another one.

    Its the other vaccines however that they say children need every 5 Yeats or so. This means all of us grown ups are unvaccinated.

    Interestingly enough after the vaccines wear off on the children many of them lose their “allergies” that they had or other health problems that they were experiencing.

    We have recently had death bed confessions about these made up vaccines, and employees of the drug companies coming out against them stating that they lied on the research so they could sell the vaccines.

    With all the toxic chemicals that they are shooting into babies and small children all they are doing is dumbing down society which has been clearly evident in many ways.

  • truthseeker September 17, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    I’m going to post links for the ne sayers. Jason, do you think Philipo and the rest of them will ever look at this message board again? It’s too bad that some of those people can’t be reached and woken up. Oh well. We have a hard enough time with people willing to listen than people that can’t be helped huh….I’m going to post flu vaccine, polio, gardasil vac stuff then another message with autism stuff also… And for Jason, my fellow truth seeker, the first article will be the one I read about how the vaccines wear off and want people to get it yearly for no reason.

  • philiplo September 17, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Philiplo looks back at posts whenever he remembers (and can locate them). He also ignores those wearing tin foil hats, as the caps tend to interfere with cell phone reception. You might be able to catch him today at the flu shot walk-in at the mall.

  • truthseeker September 17, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    A list of link Part 2

  • SeekThis September 18, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Gee if you didn’t know better, you’d almost swear that truthseeker and Jason are the same person using 2 separate accounts…

    Infowars? That’s your reference source? Reallly? Come on meow

  • Jason September 18, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Jason is not the same person. This is real info and while it may seem like it is just for crazy hippie people it is actually much more popular than you think. I have talked with many of or friends and neighbors and in conversation have found out that they too have chosen not to vaccinate.

    Info Wars may be extreme but they do have a lot of good information. Like anything else you read you have to decide what to take to heart. If you are really interested in news about health and food I highly recommend

    When you sit down and actually read the information that is available then you can make an educated decision. It is a slippery slope though, since you know you really can’t turn back. Our government really does not have our best interests at hand. Our FDA and CDC allow things that have been outlawed in other countries all in the name of profit. We have to educate and protect ourselves. Because of the information so readily available on the internet there is a lot more people coming to these realizations.

    • Karen September 18, 2013 at 2:39 pm

      So, Jason, did you do more research on actual polio facts? See my response to your earlier post.

  • Truth2Light September 18, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    There is a really informative documentary: THE GREATER GOOD: Website It presents facts and testimonies from both sides of the vaccine issue. There are many credible medical professionals involved. Our state and local health officials and medical community need to wake up and see the harm that certain vaccines are causing to our citizens such as the serious escalation in autism rates and miscarriage/fertility issues that have been proven to come from vaccines. If you research meningitis, it is a vaccine side effect of the early polio vaccines. I appreciate those who have posted the links to truth. Too many have suffered and it is time to get educated and demand honesty. Many of the pertussis cases in Salt Lake last year were among the children who were vaccinated, not those who know better and are protecting the innocent.

  • truthseeker September 18, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Is there a sapce limit?. I dnt knw if my other post with links posted.

  • truthseeker September 18, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    How about you people try reading the information before you judge it. We aren’t judging you- we were once in your shoes. Asleep and zombie like, bumping around life accepting everythng you’re told. You should know it’s okay to question things and challenge the status quo. And to Karen, mg precious message talks about the polio vaccine and I have more info on polio being very rare before the vaccine. ;););) then sky rocketed afterwards…. Resenting a second list…

  • truthseeker September 18, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    How about you people try reading the information before you judge it. We aren’t judging you- we were once in your shoes. Asleep and zombie like, bumping around life accepting everythng you’re told. You should know it’s okay to question things and challenge the status quo. And to Karen, my previous message talks about the polio vaccine and I have more info on polio being very rare before the vaccine. ;););) then sky rocketed afterwards. Jason is correct. Just because you lives the era and remember and took it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a fraud.

    • Karen September 18, 2013 at 7:28 pm

      Truthseeker/Jason, I’d love to see your info on polio being very rare before the vaccine. You can’t because it just isn’t true..

    • Joyce Kuzmanic September 19, 2013 at 11:33 am

      Your post just got caught in spam, truthseeker – likely due to a long list of links. I am seeing a few attempts, variations of the same, so just approving the one.

      • Jason September 19, 2013 at 12:42 pm

        Looks like i may have had a comment caught as spam as well.

  • Truth2Light September 18, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Very Good Documentary on the vaccine issue: THE GREATER GOOD

  • SeekThis September 18, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Gee thank you for sharing your wisdom with us, the poor, blissfully ignorant sheeple. I like the way you’re tag teaming this from both of your accounts Jason/truthseeker. If you’ve got some info to share, probably condescending to others isn’t going to help get the word out

    I don’t blindly accept that the government has our best interests in mind, but I’m not planning on relying on the echo chamber of Alex Jones, Glenn Beck and the rest of the ultra paranoid tinfoil hat brigade anytime soon either.

  • truthseeker September 18, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    To Craig, no the polio vaccine didn’t cure polio, it caused it. And also gave 100 million people cancer…. To Karen, start by trying to read the links already posted, a couple already on polio. And I’m still trying to send the second list on Qa.utisnm but its not working… Can do your research if you have a knack for knowledge…. To SeekThis, the discussion can be genuine and you dnt have to misdirect it by insulting or trying to create an argument about who those characters are. You said it yourself, dnt think govt has best interest in mind, so that’s a start, but then you jump to the other extreme end of the spectrum instead of doing some intelligent research. CDC, FDA it’s out there. Also, Jones and beck has nothing to do with the articles and info researched that was posted. They didn’t write or produce so using them to label it crazy crackpot stuff wont work. 😉 stay on task.

    • Craig September 19, 2013 at 7:04 am

      @truthseeker: Are you saying the Polio Vaccine CAUSED polio? That’s ridiculous.
      I don’t have it. My siblings and extended family don’t have polio. The school and school district I went to had a massive polio vaccination drive and NO ONE contracted polio. I’m talking about THOUSANDS of people.
      I don’t know where you’re getting your info.–not that it matters.

  • truthseeker September 19, 2013 at 12:33 am

    To Karen again, I have the info on the rise of polio after the vaccine came out and also info on other diseases that had dropped off before the vaccines for them made the rates of diseases go bck up. I’m just trying to get the names of the books and links compiled. Please bear with me. Feel free to converse.

  • truthseeker September 19, 2013 at 12:39 am

    That is of course if youre genuine and not a paid agent to troll the internet and denounce true knowledge as conspiracy theories. Do you even live in STG?

    • Karen September 19, 2013 at 7:35 am

      Wow, that is some paranoia you have, truthseeker. You wonder if I am a “paid agent” trolling the internet to denounce true knowledge. Nope, just an educated grandmother whose children and grandchildren were vaccinated. Of course it is a parent’s choice to have children vaccinated or not. Just don’t complain when your kids have to stay home from school during an outbreak of whooping cough because they were not vaccinated. And, since no vaccine is 100% effective and does wear off, I’ll try to forgive you if someone in my family gets sick because of you and others like you.

      By the way, your webcache link that is supposed to be about polio gets a 404 error. And a google search turns up nothing, not even from Alex Jones, about a rise in polio since the vaccine was created. Maybe you merely read the headline of Alex Jones’ article about polio paralysis in India. If you read the entire article you will find nothing about an increase in polio. You are really off the wall on that one. Have a nice day.

  • SeekThis September 19, 2013 at 8:00 am

    I have the info on the rise of polio and the fact that it gave 100 million people cancer around here somewhere… Let’s see, where did I put that? Hmmmm. Brutha please. Maybe the conspiracy theorists over at infowars have them. Lol

    It blows my mind how many people get sucked into that echo chamber and blindly parrot outrageous claims made by the loony bin crackpots who make a living by stoking irrational fears, but don’t actually have any facts from any independent, reputable sources to back up their wild claims.

    When someone asks where you got your facts and recounts their own personal memories of when a frightening disease like polio was a real fear, you accuse them of being an agent (of what?) paid to troll the Internet? Hahaha. Back your so called “true knowledge” with some concrete facts. Even one concrete fact. No? Nothing?

  • Michel September 19, 2013 at 8:27 am Both sides of the vaccine issue covered with hard facts. Very well done but heartbreaking.

  • Jason September 19, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Hi Karen,

    I hope everyone can tell the difference between my posts and truth seeker. While on the right path there is some misdirection. Polio was a result of unsanitary surroundings and the lack of personal hygiene. I will find d the chart on the CDC website that shows it teetering off before the vaccine was released. You can also find the info on the illnesses today that show the majority of those getting them have been vaccinated. Many of the articles on and yes even info wars direct you to other “reliable sources” such as the cdc. They are just helping show people where to find it. They base their opinions on public records. They are still obviously opinions but a lot of what they share can help us make our own opinions. Like I said you have to take it for what it is worth and develop your own conclusions but they do help bring a lot of info to the table. Stay posted for the polio chart.

    • Karen September 19, 2013 at 3:53 pm

      While I am awaiting your “polio chart from the CDC” I’d like to offer a quote about polio from the CDC website. Here it is: “These landmark vaccination and surveillance efforts along with subsequent national mass Salk and Sabin vaccination programs—in which CDC epidemiologists continued to administer vaccine and conduct disease surveillance—led to the eradication of polio in the U.S. by 1979. We are now on the verge of eradicating the disease worldwide.” Here’s another quote, “The number of worldwide polio cases has fallen from an estimated 350,000 in 1988 to fewer than 223 in 2012—a decline of more than 99% in reported cases.” It is absurd to say polio was due to “unsanitary surroundings”. Go to any third world country and you will find the same unsanitary surroundings now but a HUGE DECREASE in the number of cases of polio. And it is because of the highly effective polio vaccine. Period.

  • Jason September 19, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Great informative video Michael. That is one i haven’t seen.

    So in looking for the graph that shows the polio trends it appears that many of the links i had saved are now broken links. The graph that is now shown on the CDC website does not show the amount of people affected with polio prior to when the vaccine was released making it looks like there was a dramatic drop because of the vaccine. There are many other graphs available though with references that show that polio had already been on a major decline for many years prior to the vaccine being released. Just search “polio graph” on google and click on the “images” tab.

    I think what Seeker was talking about earlier in that the vaccine was causing polio was based on information stating that the vaccines were known to cause the same symptoms as polio itself. This is admitted to on the CDC website as well however they try to make light of it stating it was a small percentage. However there was a rise in “symptoms” around the time that the vaccine was released. It also discusses how the use of certain pesticides could also have been a cause of the same symptoms. There is also evidence, and admittance from the CDC that the polio vaccine also caused cancer. However the CDC has recently pulled that article along with many others. People were still able to access the article in google’s cache until google as well purged that, but here is a screen shot

    There is no denying that there are major side effects with most of the vaccines and drugs throughout history. The argument has always been though that it was for the “greater good”. Once doing some research though you can see that not only polio, but many other diseases were already on the decline and almost non-existent before the vaccines were released and several never had vaccines for them at all and are no longer an issue.

    Many vaccines still use the same chemicals that were also used in pesticides, among a slew of other toxic chemicals. Do the research the information is readily available and the vaccine companies don’t deny it, they only state that the levels are so low that they are not dangerous. There is evidence against this as well.

    The polio vaccine is given to children like 4 times by the age of two between the initial shot, boosters, etc., but then all the sudden once you grow up you don’t need to be immunized from it any longer?

    Back to the flu vaccine though. Who’s to say that these flu viruses are only out there in the world during “flu season”?

    There is SOOO much information out there. Just start searching and see what you think. If you have any doubt whatsoever why would you choose to take the risks on your child? You decide…

    I have spent enough time today on this. If you want to find out for yourself you will need to dig your heals in and do some research. My wife and I have done so over the years and it has taken a lot of time looking at both sides of the story as we wanted to do the right thing.

    In the end it should be a personal decision, but i would highly recommend to make sure you have no doubts before you go shooting stuff into your kids. We all know that getting the “shots” are not fun for kids. They may have skin reactions, fevers, sickness, etc. Obviously what they are putting into their these little bodies is not good for them. The amount of shots has increased 5-6 times what they used to give us parents when we were children. These increases have come around the same time that we are seeing so many more health issues in children as well such as allergies, and mental disorders, many of which go away or lessen after the vaccines wear off.

  • Jason September 19, 2013 at 4:22 pm


    It’s not what the CDC says directly that you want to pay attention to. It’s the statistics and data that they provide what you have to read between the lines and understand for yourself. Unfortunately they are updating a lot of their information making it harder to find this info. As i pointed out on the graph, they now only show from 1950 and beyond. Isn’t that a bit odd that they don’t show the amounts before the vaccine was released? They are making that vaccine look good by only showing you a portion of the picture. This is not the only thing they have done to hide the facts as I also stated above showing links that are now non-existent which some managed to get a print screen of. I also know that his is not made up because i had saved these links as “favorites” previously so I could come back to them and when i clicked on them today to get you the information they are all now broken links.

    I’m not saying that science and medicine have not helped in some areas, however science and medicine is all about making money not cures. There are so many natural remedies that can help prevent disease and illness, but the doctors don’t tell you this because most of them don’t know about it because the only thing they know is all the info that is taught to them by the pharmaceutical companies.

    I own a business and I used to support the different relay for lives fundraisers, until I did my research and now I will not support any “cancer research”. All they are businesses that raise money so that others can profit by it. They are “non-profit” but there are many who profit by the study and research of cancer when there are well known studies on how to fight cancer and most importantly prevent it. The non-profit groups do nothing to promote preventative measures, they only want to cut, burn, and poison your body.

    Start thinking outside the box, but I warn you once you do it leads to more and more awareness with food and much more. Like I said earlier our beloved CDC and FDA approve things that even places like China and Russia do not allow and consider toxic in food, but the US allows them. You know why, because they get paid to allow them. Once you also look into the fact that ex-executives of vaccine companies, food companies, and companies like Monsanto are the ones who are now running the CDC and FDA, and that CDC and FDA officials sit on the boards for these companies it will make you start to think. Just search Monsanto on youtube and see what you get. There is a world of knowledge out there for you. You can see that Obama stated that “it is normal business practice” to use aborted fetal cells in the making of soft drinks, which they use to try and get these cells to be addicted to the products. You can see that major food companies like Kraft make food for the US totally different than they do for the rest of the world because no one else allows their crap like we do. You will see that corn is not even considered corn in this country any longer and is now classified as a “pesticide” because they have genetically altered it to create it’s own pesticides. The list goes on and on. Check it out there are a lot of good reads out there. My wife and I have spent countless hours researching all of this stuff and needless to say that we do not eat processed foods any longer, and we don’t purchase any food that has anything more than food in it. Ever wondered why “Daisy” can make cottage cheese with one ingredient, “milk” but most of the others have a slew of scientific names thrown into your food? Our bodies do not recognize these substances as food, which is why our bodies have a hard time digesting them. Ever wonder why so many people are have gluten allergies? They add extra gluten to the breads. Wheat has a natural amount of gluten but when they start adding more of it that has been processed our bodies reject it. Just like with our milk, they cook it so much that it kills all of the natural enzymes that are naturally produced in milk to help our bodies break it down. However the FDA raids raw milk farms with AR-15’s. Why? We have raw milk offered here in St. George through the Real Foods market. They are required to maintain the same level of bacteria that other milk is required to be at that has been cooked to death by pasteurizing it, but you have to sign a waiver to buy it. Why? People are waking up though, buying more raw milk, and more raw foods.

    Do the research.

    • Karen September 19, 2013 at 5:07 pm

      If the best you can do is the denounced and totally inaccurate statement regarding President Obama and fetal cells and soft drinks, then you will believe any conspiracy theory you see on the internet. This discussion is about the polio vaccine and now you are on raw foods and milk. I don’t use processed foods either but that isn’t the point. Look at the history of polio (by the way, there are no accurate records of polio cases before the 1950’s, oh, wow, must be a coverup) and look at polio worldwide. It isn’t rocket science to understand that the polio vaccine eradicated US polio by 1979 and is well on the way to eradicating it worldwide. Sure, the use of really bad pesticides peaked in the early 50’s but so did lots of other “bad” things. That doesn’t prove a thing. The polio vaccine was and is successful. End of story.

  • truthseeker September 19, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Thank you Ms. Editor….
    Yes that’s a great film on gsrsasil ans vaccines. Greater good is a good film.
    A more intelligent post by me. Please read…
    The decrease of diseases started before the appearance of famines for them. World Health Statistics ALLPnual 1973-76 vol 2. “There has been a steady decline of infectious diseases in developing countries regardless of the percentage of immunizations administered.”
    Assistant Secretary of Health Edward Brandt Jr, M.D. during a speech on U.S Senate Committee May 3, 1985
    Author and lecturer, Betty Lee Morales, whose parents were naturopathic doctors, predicted 50 yrs ago that cancer would become epidemic in scale, as it wasn’t around much before then, but would happen as a delayed result of mass pointless vaccinations…
    Vaccines weaken the immune system. Allergies and everythng can be attributed to vaccines, food, cosmetics, and all the toxins we come into contact with.
    1976 Dr. Robert Stimpson of Rutgers Univ. addressed Science Writers Seminar of American Cancer Society stated, “Immunization programs against flu, measles, mumps, polio, etc, may actually be seeding humans with RNA, to form latent pro viruses in cells throughout the body. These latent proviruses could be molecules in search of diseases including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson’s, and perhaps cancer. Live viruses, the primary antigenic matieral or vaccines are capable of surviving or remaining latent in the host cell for years without preventing acute disease. Viral genetic material in vaccines lay the ground work for auto immune diseases. Long story short it , vaccines causes auto immune phenomenon. An explanation of thst is in the book and broadcast listed below if you choose to look at it.
    “Every year 35000 children suffer neurological damage bcus of the DPT vaccine.”
    To the Whooping cough person, Dr. Mendlesohn said, ” whooping cough has caused so many neurological problems and death, that many physicians stopped giving it.” Following the Whooping cough vaccine, 1 in 13 children cry a long time and at high pitch. Sign of more than pain or fear, but brain damage. 1 in 100 collapse into convulsions, 1 in 3 of the collapse have permanent brain damage. Sudden infant death syndrome became prevelant after the vaccine.
    Dr Edward B Shaw, a distinguished Univ. Of Calif. Physician has stated in the Journal of American Medical Assoc. March 1975,. ” I doubt that the decrease in pertussis is due to the vaccine, which itself is a very poor antigen and is an extremely dangerous one with many very serious complications”
    I question your guys authenticity and if you’re genuine bcus you immediately denounced anythng without having an open mind enough to ask and discuss it. The world is bigger than you’re life experience and history didn’t start when you were born. Learn some of what the textbooks in school dnt teach you. Many of us had to relearn things and readapt to.society. the personal journey cause self struggle that we overcome. You all can too…..
    Dr. Robert Mendlesohn an expert and known as an authority on vaccinations., “I think most of the degenerative diseases are going to be shown to be due to x-rays, drugs, polluted foods, unnatural food, additives, preservatives, and immunizations.”
    We are discovering the effects of ingesting unnatural substances. Connect the dots people. Vaccines are toxins by definition. Pharma drugs are poison. It all kills slowly. Look up some stuff by Nicholas Von Hoffman also. There is too much to cover here and most this stuff is from a few decades ago. Wait until I get to all the recent stuff, it’s crazy. We can hold a class. I don’t know a lot but I can be a resource to helping you on your journey. I’m 29 and so hopefully age doesn’t give you a false perception of me. Let’s talk as if we are willing to learn…
    Around the world, vaccines like small pox cause hearing loss and other problems, in thousands of children.
    Death by vaccine is always listed as somethng else on the death certificate, but the vaccine cause the reaction that caused death. What about the people that go back to the hospital after getting their child vaccinated and the child dies and the parents are arrested for abuse bcus of blood on the brain of the child?- that’s a reaction of vaccines. See how that works? I’ll get more links for those cases and court cases if you give me time or request that..
    To Craig, it doesn’t cause polio in everyone. Just enough to keep the need for the vaccine. But it definitely gives everyone cancer carrying agents to get sick later in life.

    To Karen, google removed the article from it’s cache and CDC deleted it also. But read the naturalnews article on polio I will post. .It’s not all mashed potatoes and gravy. And I said I was still getting the information, hang in there. Im compiling info on the increased and decreased rates of polio and the years in relation to the vaccine… And here it is, and on many other things also. Now if you can also read all the other occurrences of lies and deceit, maybe you can connect the dots to the not blindly believe polio vaccine was a miracle cure…Here is an hour long lesson by an investigative citizen journalist from the early 90s that reads from an old book not sure of the year, written by Walene James, Immunizations: The Reality Behind the Myth. very well footnotes and documented. Just listen to this if you can invest an hour to learning ans expanding your horizons. Vaccinations piece ,Alex Loglia 1993

    Physicians Desk Reference 1980, Organic Consumer Reports 1977, just go read and learn, I can’t list everythng from the past four decades. A lot of info since the late 70s and 80s started coming out about vaccine truth and it’s been suppressed. We know much more negative aspects of vaccines now since then. Vaccine truth and other truths are out there. We sometimes lack the thirst for it and the ability ri find it. That’s plagues people for a long time. I’m not all talk, and have been posting links and trying to show what I’ve come across. I don’t want you to believe what I say, but to look at the essentially objective information. It can’t all be explained on the message.board. Open your mind to research done by many who have risked their careers in science and medicine to bring it to light. Theyve written books and given speeches in Washington D.C. There’s so much the media won’t tell you also..
    There’s studies and info put forward by the vaccine and pharmaceutical companies that are framed to benefit them. It’s pseudoscience and hiding the fact it does harm long term and sometimes immediately. Statistics can be twisted and used to lie to you. Studies they do are so blatantly flawed that it begs a question, why?… Ask why and find out….
    P.S. My autism links finally posted too. Dig in….
    And I have more links on being cautious and learning about vaccine horrors before you vaccinate. There are toxic reports and much more on it if you get out of the box a little bit and seek the truth. People seem to be refusing to learn about it only bcus they already have formed an opinion. If that’s the case, you’ve ceased to grow.

  • truthseeker September 19, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Not famine but vaccine ha.Sorry major typo and unorginazation before I sent it. I was on a note pad typing it ans forgot to fix it. Was in a hurry.
    Assistant Secretary of Health Edward Brandt Jr, M.D. during a speech on U.S Senate Committee May 3, 1985 “Every year 35000 children suffer neurological damage bcus of the DPT vaccine.”

    And I have the links of mainstream news on the aborted fetal cells in Pepsi.

  • truthseeker September 19, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    My long message may take awhile to get through the editorial process. Hope it comes through quick bcus the typo correction came through quick.

  • truthseeker September 19, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Do vaccines cause autism?
    It’s a good one. Talks about vaccine courts a little bit. I have better explanations of vaccine courts though. Did you guys knw that when the big companies pay out to injured people, thst they arent allowed to tell the media? Hmm see how its hidden from you. ?

  • truthseeker September 19, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    A old book by Darrell Huff, How to Lie With Statistics would be a good read for the ones that are still waking up to the games the medical and healthcare industry and vaccine and drug companies plays…
    Polio is a disease that most people think is the great success story of vaccinations. And why do they think that?- I’ll tell you why, because magazine articles, tv shows, corrupt politicians, corporate, execs, all say it was a miracle vac so everyone believed it. It’s that simple. It’s called Propaganda. A man by the name Edward Bernays wrote the book on it and one can learn much of why we see or think what we do in society, from advertising to politics, you name it. I’ll give quick examples of Bernays and the work he did if I’m requested to… Anyways moving on, polio vaccine didn’t cure or stop polio. It’s all lies. Jonas Sault called the 20th century miracle maker and savior of many lives countless lives. Ha it’s bogus..We have been given reports through the mainstream media of the success of the polio vaccine. Virginia States Dept of Health, distributed a folder which tells us that polio vaccines reduce the incidents of polio in the US from 18000 cases in 1954 to fewer than 20 in 1973-78. An article in Modern Maturity from around 20 yrs ago states that in 1953 there were 15000 or so cases of polio in the US. And by 1957, due to the vaccine, the number had dropped to 2499. hOWEVER, during the 1962 Congressional hearings on bill HR10541, Dr.Bernard Greenberg, Head of the Dept of BioStstistics of the Univ. of North Carolina, School of Public Health testified, that not only did polio increase substantially “after” the introduction of frequent compulsive immunization programs, but statistics were manipulated and the statemnts made by the Public Health Service were to give the opposite impression…. Sorry, but you all have been lied to. There is much more on this issue and from.other sources. Do the research but the case we’ve made is clear and will just take more learning about many other things to make it all come together for you. Its more of a personal struggle and breaking down the barriers built into us, than it is debating history and stats. We’ve been so conditioned to think a certain way and just like with the polio scam, there’s more.

    In 1957 a spokesman for the North Carolina Health Dept made glowing claims for the efficacy of the polio vaccines, showing how the disease steadily decreased from 1953-57. It’s figures were challenged by Dr. Fred Klenner who pointed out, that it wasn’t until 1955 that a single person in the state even received a polio vaccine infection.:) Even then the infections were administered on a very limited basis because of the number of polio cases “resulting from the vaccine”.:) It wasn’t until 1956 that polio vaccinations assumed aspiring proportions. The 61% drop in polio cases in 1954 was credited to the polio vaccine when it wasn’t even in the state yet. 🙂 And never the less, by 1957 when the massive vaccination program had taken place, polio was again on the increase. Big time. Just do some research on the numbers…
    Other ways the polio statistics were manipulated to give the appearance of effectiveness of the vaccine:
    1) Redefinition of an Epidemic- More cases were required to refer to polio as an epidemic after the introduction of the vaccine. In other words, you needed 20 cases per 100000 to have an epidemic before the vaccine was introduced. And after they changed that number to 35 cases per 100000. So now it looks as like there are less cases of the epidemic since they redefined what an epidemic was.
    2) Redefinition of the Disease-. In order to qualify classification as paralytic polio mytolitis, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for at least 60 days after the onset of the disease. That’s after they started the vaccine programs. Before the vaccine programs, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for just 24 hours.:) What this means is if you walked into a doctors office before the vaccine was taken and you said you’ve had paralytic symptoms for a couple weeks, the doctor would say it’s polio. But after taking the vaccine if you had the same symptoms, they’d say wait a couple months, then it would be polio. Well that would decrease the amount of cases by a lot. That’s how statistics get manipulated. Dr.Greenberg stated ” this change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely paralytic polio mytolitis with a longer lasting paralysis.
    3) Mislabeling- After the introduction of the polio vaccine there were other diseases wrongly being labeled polio. Those diseases were at a low occurrence giving tbe impression that polio had disappeared bcus of the vaccine. Another way of reducing the appearance of disease by way of semantics and statistical artifacts, is to simply reclassify the disease. Interestingly, the charts of polio decreased and there was an increase of other similar diseases. They changed the name. 🙂 Viral or Aseptic Meningitis . In 1955-56 polio goes down at the same rate Aseptic meningitis goes up. And at that point in time everyone thought that polio had been wiped out. Nope… See here’s the deal, diseases come and go. Diseases like anythng else in nature follows natural cycles, they come in and reach their peak and leave. And no vaccination program on Earth has ever been able to change that…
    I hear all the but but but buts, listen to this:
    -Polio disappeared in Europe between 1940-50 without any vaccination programs whatsoever.
    -In 1958, Israel had a massive type 1 polio epidemic after mass immunizations. It doesn’t get any more clear than that Craig. 🙂
    – From the same hearings on HR10541, Massachusetts had a type 2 polio outbreak and there were more paralytic cases in people who were triple vaccinated than those not vaccinated.
    POLIO VACCINATIONS CAUSED MORE POLIO CASES THAN IT CURED. THAT’S A FACT. Polio cases cases come from the polio vaccine. This was a pain in the rear to write down. I hope it helps someone… Oh and how about the est evidence of all, the father of the polio vaccine Jonas Sault admitted thst 2/3rds of the polio in this country came from his vaccine. Amazing! Can that not be an issue now? Haha dang.

  • truthseeker September 19, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Typo from my post again, not infect or infections, but ingect and ingections.

  • truthseeker September 20, 2013 at 1:04 am

    Ok I hope the last long one by me on POLIO helped some of you. Now let’s not have immature responses… To Karen, the reason Jason may have felt compelled to mention all the other things is because it’s all related. It’s in the realm of truth and that being uncommon knowledge. And if you can open up to any of the dozen or so true things he said, then you might start to see some of it. That’s what people like us do. We stress and try to inform people and get them thinking about real society and not perceived society. he reason we have to dig it up, is because its buried with lies and meaningless entertainment and false ego of the conditioned self… He speaks the truth and delivers it well and clearly also. The sad part is no one tried looking it up for themselves. I’ll post a link to the Pepsi thing since you think it’s not true. It’s funny, because you totally denounce it without even thinking to yourself if its true. I’m doubting I’ll get an intelligent reply to the polio posts or someone saying thanks for the info. I celebrate when I’m enlightened but it seems others are too prideful to admit they couldve been tricked or wrong once In their life. Hitler said tell a lie and repeat it. And if its big enough people will believe it and their minds won’t be changed.. The population is bombarded with lies to make people believe anythng the establishmnt wants.. My polio post is relevant so lets see a relevant response instead of the first thing you say being somethng to try and discredit us, Karen…. I wonder if you will respond to the Pepsi thing polio thing. How about the fact flu vacs dnt work. Somethng that shows us your trying to learn and new info.

  • Jason September 20, 2013 at 10:54 am

    More good info. I think a lot of people just don’t want to accept the reality they have held to be true for so many years. People automatically call “conspiracy” without doing all the research that the conspirisists have. There are many things that just don’t add up and when you look at the facts it is no longer a conspiracy as there are no facts in conspiracy. My example of raw milk and such was to show the “character” of the government of which you place so much trust. There are actually records showing statistics of polio prior to 1950 but you just have to look places other than the CDC to find them. Other countries as well kept records.

  • Karen September 20, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    To both truthseeker and Jason: you say you do research but you need to read factual reports rather than repeating blog posts and articles from “natural news” that have their own agenda. Here is an example. Truthseeker claims, at the end of his very long post, that Jonas Salk (not Sault as you mispelled it) “admitted that 2/3rds of the polio in the country came from his vaccine”. That is not true. A quick history of the polio vaccine will help. There were two vaccines being developed at the same time, one by Jonas Salk, and another by Alfred Sabin. Jonas Salk’s vaccine used a basically dead virus and Albert Sabin’s used a weakened live virus. The Salk vaccine (dead virus) was approved in 1955 and dramatically reduced the numbers of polio cases but the advantage of Sabin’s vaccine (weak live virus) is that it could be administered orally in a sugar cube or drops. It was also thought that immunity would last longer with the Sabin (live virus) vaccine so it became the preferred vaccine in 1961. After 1961, some children did develop polio symptoms because of the Sabin (live virus) vaccine. Because of the dramatic drop in cases of polio after the Salk (dead virus) vaccine which was approved in 1955, it turns out that likely there were more polio cases caused by the Sabin (live virus) vaccine than “wild” polio. So the Salk (dead virus) vaccine then became the preferred vaccine once again. To be perfectly clear, Jonas Salk never said his vaccine caused the cases, he was speaking of the Sabin vaccine. Jonas Salk never said his vaccine was “worthless”. Here is a fine article on conquering polio. It uses facts, not fiction.

    Another claim one of you made is that infectious diseases were on the decline before vaccines were developed. Actually, the report was talking about “filth” diseases such as cholera, dysentery, etc, which never had vaccines in the first place. Of course they declined because of improved sanitation. You can’t equate cholera to polio.

    Please show more caution when cutting and pasting “facts”.

  • truthseeker September 20, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Yeah, the term conspiracy theorist is a loaded term. Technically, a conspiracy is a crime where more than one party gets together to committ a criminal act. So it comes down to conspiracy fact or conspiracy theory. Point is, is that the officially story is usually false, and the altealternative theory usually holds more truth.. If people can learn about some of the other stuff, it can open the door for more enlightenmnt. Like Jason said earlier, it’s a rabbit hole and once you’re in it, you dnt get out. And it only goes deeper, as there is more and more. Once you see through the deception, you can see the lies and have a better idea of the truth everywhere. The media and govt and corporations use a certain language and if you study it then you can dissect what is being spun. Also following the trends of govts and societies all over the world in every decade every century, events and happenings can be foreshadowed. No matter if Its governmental or societal.  

  • truthseeker September 20, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    And I wonder if Phiilipo, Karen, or Craig will respond to the relevant POLIO info that had to be dug up for them. I hope I didn’t do that for nothin.

    • Karen September 20, 2013 at 5:26 pm

      I did.

    • philiplo September 20, 2013 at 5:32 pm

      Karen did respond, about an hour before your post. And I’m still reading, though Karen’s presentation holds a lot more water with me than anything else that has been posted.

  • truthseeker September 20, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Sometimes it has to load. But thanks for responding. Now Karen said I was repeating fictitious material from blog posts. If you were able to read the too long comments of mine the second long one went into even more detailed of names dates and hard facts. It was all written down by me all day yesterday as I had nothing to do. Took a long time. I have a note pad I typed in that I pasted to the message board and had one spot switched around. And I said the word infection was a typo for infection. And what does it matter if I spelt saulk s name wrong. You knew who I was talking about. Youre derailing the discussion when you do that. You responded to my final sentence about causing 2/3rds. I dnt much need that to make the case. Did you read the rest of it? Honestly read it and not skim it. Took a lot of time to write down.

  • truthseeker September 20, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Infection typo for ingection. Injection

  • truthseeker September 20, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    And did you say the Sabin virus caused polio? See, There you go. The vaccine caused polio.

    • Karen September 21, 2013 at 11:58 am

      According to the National Network for Immunization Information, about 1 out of 2.4 million doses of OPV (oral Sabin vaccine) distributed in the United States actually caused vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP). Because of that the Sabin vaccine is no longer used in the United States. But consider that the incidence of paralytic polio peaked in the U.S. in 1952 with 21,000 reported cases and numerous deaths. Following licensure of the Salk (inactivated) polio vaccine in 1955, the incidence of the disease fell dramatically. I also did find a chart that disagrees with your assertion that polio was decreasing before the vaccine was introduced. Here is the link to the chart –

      And yes, I did read your entire long comment. A great deal of it came from some postings here written by some group in NYC that opposed vaccinations.

      To me the bottom line about polio is that it was a very dangerous disease which because of vaccines was completely eradicated in the US in 1979. Opposition to that vaccine makes no sense whatsoever. Since millions of children have and are still being vaccinated against polio, then where are all these polio cases that you claim are caused by the vaccine? Where are they? Where?

      Again, it is a parent’s choice, you aren’t being forced to vaccinate your children, you can always opt out. Just remember it is because of all of the parents who do vaccinated their children that you are being spared the devastating effects of preventable diseases.

  • truthseeker September 20, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Or made it worse I should say the epidemic at least.

  • truthseeker September 21, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Good info… I’ve never been to sparks of light website. Much of it was from the book I mentioned by Walene James…. Many people think they have to grt there kids vaccinated though. So in a sense they are being forced. And Bostonians were told they had to get inoculations for somethng a couple years ago. I’ll have to.touch up on that. But yeah, people have a choice but many don’t know they have a choice or society makes them feel bad for not vaccinating, and it’s unconstitutional for the govt to force inoculate or mass medicate.

  • truthseeker September 22, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Source: International Mortality Statistics 1981. As if the source even matters. Thé nonbelievers try discrediting every source and nothing matters to them.
    From 1923-53 the polio rate drop 47% withhout a vaccine. Steady decline on all the charts. Wake up. And if you cnt your either a zombie that is dead already or a paid shill.

    • Karen September 23, 2013 at 4:46 pm

      Truthseeker, the chart is about mortality rates (deaths) not numbers of cases of polio. You will also note that it deals in percentages, not actual cases either. It doesn’t mean what you think it means. With the widespread use of the iron lung during that time period, many people (especially children) were saved. So, it is entirely likely that the death rate went down. It doesn’t mean that they weren’t still paralyzed like FDR. They spent the rest of their lives in wheelchairs. The chart show the success of the iron lung, That’s all.

      PS I am sure you and I (and the moderator) are the only ones reading this now. Like I said before, I’m a grandmother not a “paid shill”. In fact it is ridiculous to suggest that people are paid to surf the internet and “discredit” sources from comments sections, of all places. That is laughable. I repeat, polio was eradicated in the US in 1979 because of the polio vaccine.

  • truthseeker September 22, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Karen still around? What do you do for work Karen?

  • truthseeker September 22, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    And declined 55% in UK

  • truthseeker September 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Hey thanks for having an intelligent convo about it and sharing info. The polio thing is near the bottom.of my list so thanks for adding to my knowledge of it…. Maybe we can still chat about other things. You might think I’m paranoid when I talk about paid shills and I never said you actually were but that I was skeptical. And for good reason, they do exist but you say it’s laughable. I can send links on that so you can know from government sources that thousands of people in every country are paid to roam comment sections. It’s admitted and on record. You know that right??? … And if you request I can link to different news articles about the Pepsi thing also..

  • truthseeker September 23, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    And if mortality rates were dropping it also means the rates of cases were dropping. And the downward slide was at the same gradient after the vaccine as it was prior to it.

  • philiplo September 23, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Number of deaths declined after introduction of vaccines.

  • truthseeker September 24, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    The pre vaccine era was an unsanitary time. The credit could easily be given to the new sanitation practices. The decline of disease after the vaccine was at the same rate of decline before the vaccines. Diseases were already dying off. Nature was ending it’s course. Just a thought. Thanks for the info. This discussion helped me compile info on polio. Good lessons. I’ll add your info to my pile. What do you think about the flu vaccine now?

  • truthseeker September 24, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Everythng Jason had mentioned overall is true. There’s official corporate and government documents proving it. Those are all examples of things going on and I can send links and cite sources to anythng you would like to hear about.

  • truthseeker September 30, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Polio cases rose about 300 to 400% in these 5 places that made the Salk vaccine compulsory by law: -North Carolina: 78 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 313 cases in 1959. -Connecticut: 45 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 123 cases in 1959. -Tennessee: 119 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 386 cases in 1959. -Ohio: 17 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 52 cases in 1959. -Los Angeles: 89 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 190 cases in 1959. By 1960, the Salk vaccine had proven to be so hazardous and ineffective, that the Journal of the American Medical Association (February 25, 1961) carried an article admitting that, “It is now generally recognized that much of the Salk vaccine used in the U.S. has been worthless.” In his statement submitted to the House of Representatives Sub-Committee on Health and Environment, 94th Congress, Dr. Thomas E. Baynes (Assistant Professor of Law at Nova University Law Center, Fort Lauderdale, FL, under a contract with HEW, CDC, No. 39204) reported to our elected officials that: “. In 1949, a polio vaccine was only a that dream has turned into a nightmare. The extent of litigation from vaccine injuries in humans had been minimal until the advent of the Salk and Sabin vaccines.Resultant litigation from vaccine injuries will require a reevaluation of current efforts to immunize vast numbers of people from communicable diseases.”

    WAS THERE REALLY A POLIO EPIDEMIC? Contrary to popular mythology, it’s clear from these reports that the Salk vaccine had been a disaster. The next question is whether there had actually been a polio epidemic in the 1950s? To determine that question, several issues have to be examined. First, was polio increasing or decreasing going into that decade? Perhaps because of the effectiveness of the PR campaign then-and the lingering mythology today-most people didn’t know that paralytic polio was substantially declining before the vaccine had been used, with a drop of almost 20,000 cases between 1952 and 1954, for example. This was also true in England, where polio mortalities was at its height in 1950, but had declined 82 percent by 1956 before the Salk vaccinations began there.

    With all the info I’ve given, it should start pointing to the idea that what we as brainwashed peoole knew about polio and the vaccine was inaccurate and incomplete. I’ve given a good many reasons how it was a scam. There’s more info jot being posted but anyone can research it and come to the realization that the polio vaccine didn’t do what it was acclaimed to. One of the most telling, is that no one from the National institute of Health had their children vaccinated when everyone else was swept with fear to get their children vaccinated with the polio vaccine. It’s also very interesting that polio decline by way of diagnosing it as other diseases after the introduction of the vaccine. Very tricky. And we were lied to. I don’t understand why people can’t accept that they could have been lied to on a massive scale like this… Or like with a particular event that changed the world, an event that had my generation coming out of high school into a world ever so blind and deceived.

  • Karen September 30, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Truthseeker, I have a simple question for you. Where are all the polio cases TODAY that you say are caused by the polio vaccine? According to you, there should still be cases of polio. The truth is that it was eradicated by 1979 because of vaccines. Of course, you realize that 4 doses of the IPV (Salk vaccine) are required for school age children right now. If the Salk vaccine causes polio, where are the cases????

    PS Your “quote” from the JAMA doesn’t exist. It is quite easy to locate that issue. Check it out for yourself.

  • truthseeker September 30, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Hi Karen, I was wondering of you would come back and call me crazy again. Not sure I could make up a JAMA report, so I don’t know how you can say it doesnt exist. Earlier in this board, you learned that when things go digital google, google has the ability to delete it from the cache in cyberspace. The paper editions still exist. Big libraries. ;)… Also, the numbers of polio cases did increase with the vaxxine, so when I say the vscs caused polio, that’s all I meant. Sure my imperfect wording wasn’t accurate but I explained with all the experts and officials remarks and all that info I had to type into this annoying phone. The vaccine was clearly disappearing before the vac, then shot upwards, then went away due to the diseases natural course and sanitation, ans less acs As far as, as the polio vac now, it isn’t the same batch from the 50s. That hatch proved to be a debocle. The evidence shows that. You have such a religious belief in the polio vac maybe bcus you remember the hysteria from that time. A fear campaign was required to sell the Idea to thhe people. Afterall the millions invested into It couldnt go to waste. That campaign was the pretext that the establishmnt needed to have required mandatory school year vaccines…. And to be clear fo r the folks at home, vacs aren’t required for children to attend school. – they just say the waiver doesnt exist, ……
    There are many big lies sold to us. Want to talk about some others. It would help to show you the orhers .

  • Karen October 1, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Here are the salient points:
    1. I didn’t say the issue of JAMA didn’t exist, I just pointed out that there is nothing about polio in that issue. Here is the link to that issue of JAMA. You are welcome to peruse it for yourself.
    Now if you want to go around accusing JAMA of a “coverup” or deleting it then this discussion is hopeless
    2. You keep repeating that the vaccine caused polio. Everything, and I mean everything, from the AMA, JAMA, American Pediatric Association and countless other sources hail the polio vaccine as a success in eradicating polio from the US in 1979. Is this all a vast conspiracy?
    3. If the vaccine is so pointless then why did JAMA report the following:
    “In 1988, a global initiative was launched to eradicate polio. Since the initiative was launched, the number of polio cases has dropped by more than 99%, from an estimated 350 000 cases worldwide in 1988 to 1919 cases in 2002. In the same period, the number of countries with significant numbers of polio cases dropped from 125 to 7.”

    How do you account for that, truthseeker?

  • truthseeker October 1, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    I wasn’t accusing JAMA of a cover up. I was saying that just like you could find the other thing with google, even with the cache address, it had been removed. But with the JAMA thing, who knows why you cant find it. You strangely try misdirection and discrediting with the emphatic words you use. It’s very convincing. Like saying ” it’s ridiculous to suggest”, and many other things you say. You have a language that is what misinfo and disinfo provocateurs use. And see I didn’t say you were one. I’m merely pointing out the pattern of response and the language used. All mainstream news anchors and pundits say the same stuff and it’s pushing their biased agenda. Ya know what I mean?. It’s too noticeable and I had to say somethng about that. ;). ..Anyways back to the POINT. the same sources that have made statements for the vacs have made contradictory responses against the vacs. And the press releases changes over the years. Most of the info i gave was the experts and governments responses initially and the stuff in the 80s and 90s, as if to furth sell the lie after all of the 50s,60s,70s, stuff was buried and lost in translation and lost down the memory hole. The info is there and it makes sense. Obviously, if official associations, agencies and administrations want to make remarks and claim somethng is so, than that’s expected, but when their answers are all over the place then how do we trust them?. In a court of law, we call that guilty demeanor. Why cant the story be straight from the start.? … I claimed the polio increased by vacs and explained that and hence vacs caused polio cases, which isn’t as succinctly as you put it. You decided to bring that up after all the info was presented, that I said the vac caused polio, when I clarified my stance on it, I hadn’t said that for many posts prior. Ive since gave informational and cited sources posts to explain the polio scam. Which is what you should respond to. Not to me, but to the info. In those post with detailed info, I didn’t say polio was caused by vacs and didn’t simply leave it at that, i gave some damming info on polio propaganda,, and that it increased, which is like saying it was caused by the vacs. it may have been an oversimplification, but most can look past an imperfect presentation, as long as the facts make sense. Some people with opinions can’t have their horizons broaden with facts tbough. It’s basic psychological conditioning in which we all have had plenty of. Do you know about that part of science- that we have been “conditioned to believe” certain things? .. But yes, the disease existed. I knw that. I never said it didn’t exist. I knw it existed, but it wasn’t some wide spread sweeping epidemic, like some killer plague or somethng, it wasn’t a big deal when you look at other reasons we die and get sick. And the vac wasn’t the reason it’s gone. We’ve mentioned that. I’m saying the vac wasn’t a miracle cure. It certainly was hyped up to make people believe in vaccines and it gained people’s false trust in such a practice. Vaccine real and I believe it can be used for good, but not when loaded with viruses and toxic chemicals like mercury, and formaldehyde and aluminum and cells of monkey kidneys and what not… I also mentioned the difference from.back then was that the vac in the 50s isn’t using the same strain of virus today. So of course we don’t see out breaks like we did. It’s been perfected to be a slow kill poison now. If that’s how some people want to frame it. I’m sure you might think the original strand will last 50yrs but maybe it doesn’t. Does that matter? What matters is the stuff we can validate and the big facts that stick out like a sore thumb that says somethng is fishy. See what I mean by that? Did any of the info raise questions for you? I mean beck, there were Congressional hearings held on this stuff. Health commissions and all of that have validated are worst feelings about polio. Stuff that we did.t want to believe. Now we need to accept it and not stay in denial about the lies. We need the truth to light our way and use it to empower our loved ones and our communities and our country and maybe the world. Some listen, some don’t. My major point was that it caused more that it cured. We do know however that the vac causes polio in some cases, you said so yourself. But regardless, the points have been made and that’s why I’m wondering why you’re so religious about it. You never tried to explain away the government and doctors and health organsinations stats that I’ve posted, except this last jama thing and one other thing. We can cover other pieces of the puzzle and might make more sense. I’ve opened the door for you to explore these other categories, like with flu vacs or somethnt unrelated like aborted babies in Pepsi. GMOs, fluoride, or anythng you want. False flag events or anythng. I said I would show you the military’s and pentagons ans worldwide govts admittance of paid shills when you said that does.t exist. Anythng you want so you can see the world isn’t seems. And I hope you don’t take that personal, I know what it’s like bcus I was once plugged into the matrix also. It took a lot of time and investing time and SANITy to look at this weird crazy stuff. Trust me, I don’t like my views but it’s what I’ve concluded based on essentially objective info. ;)… You seem to believe that authority has never lied to you. You make it sound like the govt and corporationss are all benevolent. I dnt think they’re all bad, but Im able to criticize their actions. I stop and think why somethng happens the way it does. You were told it was a miracle cure and that’s why you believe it. It’s that simple. How did polio decrease 82% in six years before the polio vac reached the UK? Why did Israel have an outbreak of polio only after the mass inoculation for polio? Why did Massachusetts have correlative paralytic numbers from triple vaccinated people?.The year over numbers quadrupled in many states after the mass vac programs. We know the vacs we’re introduced on a timeline that was at the end of polios thriving time. It existed long before the charts we see of the 50s yet in the final two decades it ended supposedly due to.the vac? Or was it ending and the vac took the credit!!!???.. Answer all of the info I posted last week…. P.S. Did you do Public Relations or advertising or what was your career before Gma? Have you or a relative worked a govt job or been in the military?

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