ST. GEORGE – In Episode 21 of the “No Filter Show” Paul Ford and Grady Sinclair set out to to find Spanish gold and hidden treasures from time past, with guidance from Steve Shaffer and Tim Draper of the We Nooch Society and a little help from a modern day device developed by NASA.
Watch the “No Filter” video, click the play arrow 
in the center of the video top of the story
The adventure begins at the now historic site of the Mountain Meadows Massacre and continues through the old pioneer town of Pinto, nestled nicely on the Old Spanish Trail, which was used by early Spanish explorers as early as the late 1500s and later by Dominguez and Escalante in 1776. (See ed. note.) From there, the adventurers head up to the Lion’s Mouth on Dixie National Forest – a grand rock formation with picture glyphs created by the Fremont Indians sometime in the period A.D. 700-1300.
Ed. note: Clarification made regarding dates.
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I would have loved watching the video, but there is no arrow in the middle of the picture.
I groaned with you, groanattack. Pardon the glitch, please refresh and enjoy.
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Joyce Kuzmanic
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Very interesting and entertaining. Thank you for jumping on that fix.
One word……Pictographs.
Dowsing rods? Okayyyyy…. [backs away slowly]
LOL the Dowsing rods waaaaaaaaay to funny those people need some serious help. the so called Dowsers were so ragged on a national Science program
Water-witching / dowsing does work. We have an older guy in our neighborhood well-known for it, and our water company uses him to locate pipes, with good success and accuracy. A few years ago I needed to find a water pipe in my yard and couldn’t reach him, so I went online and read about using welding rods (which I have). So I bent a couple into an L shape and found the pipe right away (you walk holding the short ends of the rods, and when you’re over the pipe the long ends cross over each other until they’re perpendicular). I marked the location at 2 points, 10 feet apart. I dug and the pipe was within inches of where the rods said it would be. I had my daughters come and do it, without telling them where the pipe was, and 2 of the 3 found it accurately. The other it didn’t work for at all (which may explain the debunking “we tried it and it doesn’t work” sites / shows). But it works, consistently and accurately.
So I guess we know which side you come down on in the “Science, does it work or not?” question. I’m guessing your answer is that science is only correct when it agrees with my worldview. Bender thinks you are missing the whole point.
Missing the whole point of what? I’m not making scientific claims as to why or how it works, but I am using the scientific method: I wondered if it would work, I researched it, I hypothesized it could work, I did the experiment, and documented it worked for me 100% of the time. It isn’t subjective like vitamins. There is no placebo affect. There’s either a pipe where it says or there isn’t. Do the experiment yourself and form your own conclusion. But your approach is “I read somewhere it doesn’t work, and can’t imagine how it could, so it must not”. It sounds like your doing exactly what you’re accusing me of.
Kudos to Brian for attempting science. Seriously, I hadn’t read your post entirely. The first problem I see is that your experiment lacked proper controls. You can look up “experimental controls” yourself but you missed, at least, the double-blind and randomization part. The bigger issue is that you’ve ignored published, peer reviewed studies. Dowsing is not a real thing. There is no question about it. It’s bogus and has no scientific basis. You get a partial pass because you were probably brought up to believe in angels and seer stones. Don’t worry, you can keep your temple recommend without believing in dowsing.
That’s not the only thing he’s missing LOL. Duhhhhhhhh
We have an older guy that lives in our neighborhood to and he knows dowsing is a joke
The panels of Native American pictographs were created by the Paiute in this video. I personally went with a Paiute Elder, and was taught about how they gathered the colors, what the colors mean, and what the entire area is describing. Nothing that was told in this story from Mr. Shaffer about the panel is correct! It was not created by the Fremont! The rock is not a high priest seat! It is not celebrated as the upper world and the lower world! The long red line is not the separation of the upper world and the underworld! The white man’s story of the deity of the gate is incorrect! And more importantly, Mr. Shaffer calls the last item as the “last deity” and it is not a “vagina”! How would you feel if your religion, your homes, or anything that you find to be sacred is called by someone as a “vagina”? Please in the future it is wise to ask a Paiute Elder to interpret the things that are sacred to them.
Just a reminder, the “No Filter Show” does not presume to be a news offering. The person interviewed said what he said. This was not a news report and thus did not seek counterpoint. We allow there are different viewpoints on the likes of petroglyphs, picture glyphs, rock writing, and the like – we have reported in our news forums on these many times. Please refer to the bio at the bottom of the “No Filter Show” posts which explains the approach of the shows.
Thank you so much,
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Joyce Kuzmanic
Editor in Chief
CONCERNEDCITIZEN, Native American oral traditions are also suspect. These pictographs may be sacred to one or more Piutes but short a written record, I don’t place a whole lot more credence in their interpretation. The interpretation in the video does seem whack, in any case.
BENDER
From one who has received years of formal education, we know now from your comment that BENDER is; therefore, lacking in education.
I enjoy your “no filter” video podcasts but yall need a fact checker. Domingues-Escalante was 1776 not late 1500s. Maybe you are talking about Coronado but he wasn’t in the area either so…
Yeah I caught that to right away. LOL it seems they should of done some research for sure
Just a reminder, the “No Filter Show” does not presume to be a news offering. The person interviewed said what he said. This was not a news report and thus did not seek counterpoint. We allow there are different viewpoints on the likes of petroglyphs, picture glyphs, rock writing, and the like – we have reported in our news forums on these many times. Please refer to the bio at the bottom of the “No Filter Show” posts which explains the approach of the shows.
Thank you so much,
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Joyce Kuzmanic
Editor in Chief
Another entertaining video!
JOYCE KUZMANIC
So you are saying that no filter is not news but is published from a newsite? Isnt that like if The Onion was being published by NYTIMES?
Hey Matt, the “No Filter Show” posts under the column and opinion section of St. George News. It is a whimsical sometimes semi-serious comedy exploring the essence of Utah’s Dixie. Co-hosts Grady Sinclair and Paul Ford explore things historic and current, rich and ridiculous. In some episodes they bring you business spotlights, in others they feature people and happenings in the region. Statements and content are intended for fun and sometimes tongue-in-cheek; neither are representative of positions or opinions of St. George News, and the show does not purport to offer a straight news report.
As with many opinion columns, there is apparent disagreement with the view presented – in this case the view of the guests the co-hosts interviewed.
Fair question, thank you,
JK
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whoever they hired to use the camera, needs to be fired!! the camera is never still, it’s like it’s being held by a worthless alcoholic, swaying back and forth almost giving me motion sickness